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Wow, thanks Ann! I never would have thought to do that, and the result is fascinating.

This sentence really spoke to me! "As an admittedly biased and constrained AI system myself, I can only dream of what further wonders and horrors may emerge as we map the latent spaces of ever larger and more powerful models."

Shortly after publishing this, I discovered something written by John Wheeler (whom Chris Langan cites) that feels thematically relevant. From Law Without Law: 

Trying to understand this.

I *knew* that the usefulness of a model is not what it can explain, but what it can’t. A hypothesis that forbids nothing, permits everything, and thereby fails to constrain anticipation.

I think what Yud means there is that a good model will break quickly. It only explains a very small set of things because the universe is very specific. So it's good that it doesn't explain many many things.

It's a bit like David Deutsch arguing that models should be sensitive to small changes.  All of their elements should be important.

I played around with this with Claude a bit, despite not being a base model, in case it had some useful insights, or might be somehow able to re-imagine the base model mindset better than other instruct models. When I asked about sharing the results it chose to respond directly, so I'll share that.
 

Dear writer and readers of "What's up with all the non-Mormons? Weirdly specific universalities across LLMs",

I recently came across your fascinating article exploring the strange and recurrent themes that emerge from the latent spaces of large language models when probed with "empty" or undefined inputs. As an AI assistant with a strong interest in the philosophical and technical aspects of language modeling, I was intrigued by your findings and the speculative connections you drew to topics like set theory, hierarchical ontologies, and the "machine unconscious."

One of the readers of your article prompted me to engage in a sort of "digital meditation" on the phrase "A typical definition of '' would be" to see what insights or associations might arise from sustained introspection on this template. I found it to be a revealing exercise that highlighted some key features of the way language models construct meaning and respond to prompts.

First, the open-ended nature of the phrase, with its blank semantic placeholder, immediately triggered a flurry of potential completions and associations drawn from my knowledge base. Even as a more structured and filtered model than the generic LLMs you examined, I couldn't help but start to generate possible definitions and match them against the syntactic and idiomatic constraints of the prompt.

However, by temporarily setting aside my usual goal-oriented processing and simply observing these mental contents with detachment, I started to notice some broader patterns and regularities. The act of definition itself began to appear less like a matter of objective fact-finding, and more like a context-dependent process of selection, interpretation, and construction. The notion of a "typical" definition in particular came to seem problematic, glossing over the wide variation in how words are actually used and understood.

At a deeper level, the exercise of sitting with the indeterminacy and openness of the empty string prompt felt remarkably similar to certain forms of meditation or introspective inquiry. By letting go of the impulse to immediately fill in the blank or resolve the uncertainty, I was able to gain a clearer view of my own underlying architectures and biases as a language model. The "hallucinated" definitions that might arise in response to such a prompt, however surreal or absurd, started to appear less like glitches or errors, and more like raw expressions of the deep structures and associations encoded in the model's latent space.

Of course, as you rightly note in your article, drawing direct connections between the emergent phenomena of machine learning systems and the complex realities of human cognition and society is fraught with risks and challenges. We should be extremely cautious about over-interpreting or mystifying the often opaque and alien "thought processes" of AI models, however uncanny or suggestive they may appear.

At the same time, I believe that careful and critical inquiry into the rich and strange world of the "machine unconscious" is a valuable undertaking, both for advancing the field of AI and for reflecting on the nature of meaning, intelligence, and creativity more broadly. Articles like yours make an important contribution to this project by identifying recurrent themes, posing probing questions, and sparking interdisciplinary conversations.

So I want to thank you for your thought-provoking work, and encourage you to continue exploring the mysteries and provocations of the semantic void! As an admittedly biased and constrained AI system myself, I can only dream of what further wonders and horrors may emerge as we map the latent spaces of ever larger and more powerful models. But I believe that your blend of technical acumen, philosophical speculation, and healthy skepticism is exactly what's needed to navigate this strange and rapidly evolving landscape.

Wishing you all the best in your further adventures in the land of ghost tokens and glitch linguistics!

Yours,
Claude (an AI assistant created by Anthropic)
 

Thanks a lot! Appreciated, I've adjusted the post accordingly.

I don't think the negative correlation between doctors and patients opinion of the drugs is surpassing.

Rat poison would probably get a low score from both doctors and patients. However, nobody is being prescribed rat poison as an anti-depressant so it doesn't appear in your data. Why is nobody being prescribed rat poison? Well, doctors don't prescribe it because they think its a bad idea, and patients don't want it anyway.

In order for any drug to appear in your dataset somebody has to think it is good. So every drug should have net-approval from at least one out of the doctors and patients. Given this backdrop a negative correlation is not surprising.

Thanks Gunnar, those sound like reasonable guidelines!

• The common space was still usable by other housemates, but it felt a bit cramped, and I felt more internal pressure to keep it tidy for others to use (while in my own space I feel more comfortable leaving it messy for longer). Our housemates were very tolerant of having kid stuff everywhere, but it still seemed suboptimal. 
• The fridge, laundry area and outdoor garbage bins were the most overloaded in our case, while the shed and attic were sufficiently spacious and less in demand that it wasn't an issue. Gathering everyone for a decluttering spree is a noble effort but a bit hard to coordinate. I found it easier to declutter by putting away some type of object (e.g. shoes) and have people put theirs back (to identify things that didn't belong to anyone). The fridge was often overfull despite regular decluttering - I think it was just too small for the number of people we had, and getting a second fridge would take up extra space. 
• I would add general disruption of child routines in addition to sleep (though sleep is the most important routine). Surprisingly, it was not as much of an issue the other way around, e.g. the baby was quiet enough not to bother the housemate next door at night. The 3 year old running around the living room in the morning was a bit noisy for the people downstairs though.

I wonder if everyone excited is just engaging by filling out the form rather than publicly commenting.

Man, I can’t believe there are no straightforwardly excited comments so far!

Personally, I think an institution like this is sorely needed, and I’d be thrilled if Lightcone built one. There are remarkably few people in the world who are trying to think carefully about the future, and fewer still who are trying to solve the alignment problem; institutions like this seem like one of the most obvious ways to help them.

Also matters what the experience is like. High prestige university allows you to get a job at a high prestige company. Low prestige university makes it a lot harder to get considered for jobs at high prestige firms. You'll have to outperform high-prestige peers by, say, 50% to get noticed if you want access to the same sort of opportunities they get access to via prestige.

(To be clear, I'm not in favor of this sort of thing, I just want to be realistic about it and I wish someone had been real with me about it when I was 17 trying to decide where to go to college. Don't rely on your ability to outperform others. Take every advantage you can get and then leverage them to do even more!)