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comment by Benquo · 2020-02-17T23:39:08.033Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That Kipling poem has always felt really creepy to me, and this post feels creepy in a related way; if doing normal stuff seems bad, maybe the normal stuff is in fact bad? For instance, wars. At least one side and likely more have to be actively making things worse, even if many of them are able to spend normal-to-them days doing normal-to-them activities, often doing lots of direct physical work, staying motivated, and having difficulty understanding the point of view of conscientious objectors who may seem unusually upset, and may in fact end up with worse life outcomes.

Related: http://benjaminrosshoffman.com/there-is-a-war/

comment by alyssavance · 2020-02-17T22:50:05.680Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

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comment by remizidae · 2020-02-17T21:40:08.101Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thank you, this is a high-quality contribution. I’m curious if you know how a workshop would be designed to less often trigger mania.

comment by AnnaSalamon · 2020-02-17T22:18:08.885Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Add lots of sleep and down-time, and activities with a clear feedback loop to the physical world (e.g. washing dishes or welding metals or something).

comment by Raemon · 2020-02-17T22:46:16.178Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Does CFAR currently do the feedback-loop-to-physical-world-wash-dishes-or-whatever thing? 

(I recall you deliberately prioritizing sleep, I don't know if you mentioned down-time. I did have the experience at my last CFAR workshop [2014] of feeling like the pace was pretty non-stop in a way that didn't give me much time to stop and process. That was a bit inherently tricky since you only have four days and there is a lot of stuff to cover)