Announcing The Inside View Podcast

post by Michaël Trazzi (mtrazzi) · 2021-05-04T20:23:06.924Z · LW · GW · 13 comments

After talking to several rationalists with both short and long AI timelines, I have decided to record those conversations so most could benefit from the debates.

For now I have one episode where I introduce my goals for the podcast, but the most interesting one in terms of AI Alignment would be the second one with Connor Leahy, founding member of, a grassroots collective of researchers who have open-sourced both datasets and code to train GPT-3 like models.

I already have two other videos to release, but I plan to interview a lot of rationalists from LessWrong who have both short and longer timelines. If that sounds interesting to you, feel free to send me a message on LessWrong, Twitter, or by email at first name dot name at gmail dot com. If Youtube is not your preferred way for listening to these, you can find other alternatives (like google podcasts or spotify) here. EDIT: rss feed


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comment by rohinmshah · 2021-05-04T21:20:18.867Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Fyi, I personally dislike audio as a means of communicating information, and so I probably won't be summarizing these for the Alignment Newsletter while they don't have transcripts.

This is not a request for transcripts. Treat it more like an external constraint of the world, that the Alignment Newsletter happens to have a strong bias against audio- or video-only content. This is also not a guarantee that I will summarize it if it does have a transcript.

Fyi, my guess is that even if it did have transcripts I would usually not summarize it, because I personally am not that interested in forecasting timelines.

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comment by Michaël Trazzi (mtrazzi) · 2021-05-04T22:19:34.616Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for the feedback! I haven't really estimated how long it would take to have a transcript with speech-to-text + minor corrections,—that's definitely on the roadmap.

Re audio: cost of recording is probably like one hour (x2 if you have one guest). I think that if I were to write down the whole transcript without talking it would take me easily 4-10x the time it takes me to say it. I'm not sure on how worse the quality is though, but the way I see it conversation is essentially collaborative writing where you get immediate feedback about your flaws in reasoning. And even if I agree that a 1h podcast could be summarized in a few paragraphs, the use case is different (eg. people cooking, running, etc.) so it needs to be somewhat redundant because people are not paying attention.

Re not being interested in forecasting timelines: my current goal is to have people with different expertise share their insights on their particular field and how that could nuance our global understanding of technological progress. For instance, I had a 3h discussion with someone who did robotics competitions, and one planned with a neuroscientist student converted into a ML engineer. I'm not that interested in "forecasting timelines" as a end goal, but more interested in how to dig why people have those inside views about the future (assuming they unconsciously updated on things), so we can either destroy wrong initial reasons for believing something, or gain insight on the actual evidence behind those beliefs.

Anyway, I understand that there's a space about rigorous AI Alignment research discussions, which is currently being covered by AXRP, and the 80k podcasts also cover a lot of it, but it seems relatively low-cost to just record those conversations I would have anyway during conferences so people can decide by themselves what are the correct or bad arguments.

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comment by DanielFilan · 2021-05-04T23:00:50.281Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I haven't really estimated how long it would take to have a transcript with speech-to-text + minor corrections,—that's definitely on the roadmap.

FWIW: you can pay $1.25 per recorded minute to get to produce a somewhat inaccurate transcript in 2 days. It then takes me about 2x the length of the recorded audio to fix errors in that transcription. It's kind of a pain in the ass, but worth it if a big chunk of your audience doesn't listen to audio.

[EDIT: changed the thing I was responding to]

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comment by DanielFilan · 2021-05-05T04:34:58.425Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Note that the amount of manual fixing depends on the accent of the speaker. The 2x estimate comes from me interviewing someone with a foreign accent, I think for native speakers with standard accents it gets closer to 1x.

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comment by Michaël Trazzi (mtrazzi) · 2021-05-05T22:28:26.811Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for all of those tips. I'll definitely try rev!

comment by Kaj_Sotala · 2021-05-05T05:48:12.855Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

CastingWords at least used to be accurate (the one time I used them, I don't recall the transcript having had any flaws).

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comment by Michaël Trazzi (mtrazzi) · 2021-05-05T22:28:52.443Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Ace I'll try that too, thanks!

comment by Rudi C (rudi-c) · 2021-05-05T07:34:53.763Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think it’s possible to just upload the video to Youtube, and then download its automatically generated subtitle with youtube-dl, and finally convert that subtitle into plain text (using, e.g., ).

comment by devnull · 2021-05-05T13:30:54.931Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

RSS feed for your podcast pls. I spent 10 minutes on spotify and google podcasts trying to find the RSS feed -- pretty sure it exists, why is this obfuscated?

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comment by Michaël Trazzi (mtrazzi) · 2021-05-05T22:14:18.306Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

hey, dunno why it's obfuscated, here it is!

comment by Rudi C (rudi-c) · 2021-05-05T07:29:29.675Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Spotify is centralizing podcasting, and plans to implement the same monopolistic, privacy-invasive ad policies Google/Facebook are adhering to. It is worth considering whether allowing them to do this is a net harm for the consumers.