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comment by DanielFilan · 2018-12-03T19:56:09.438Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Two things I don't quite get about your proposal: How does the committee determine if the reasoning was motivated? Why not just have the committee make the decision in the first place?

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comment by adnan6809 · 2018-12-03T20:27:43.302Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

How does the committee determine if the reasoning was motivated?

This is a good question. My proposal is entirely theoretical and still in the rough draft stage at this point, and getting any feedback would be of great benefit. I haven't fully worked out how the members of the committee would go about determining if motivated reasoning influenced the decision-making process.

Why not just have the committee make the decision in the first place?

The committee is acting as a check against the decision-making institution, and the ledger system used by the committee acts as an incentive for the decision-making institution to avoid motivated reasoning.

comment by Pattern · 2018-12-04T20:39:51.145Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

At a guess - there may be a difference in skill/s required to make the really good decisions versus telling if decisions aren't the best, or are "motivated".

comment by ChristianKl · 2018-12-05T11:06:28.137Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Motivated reasoning plays into most high stakes decisions in big organisations as the decisions matter. You can't simply remove it and when you give a lot of political power to your "checks and balance"-committee that's going to act politically as well and won't just follow norms of abstract reasoning.

Adding extra committees is also a good way to damage the functioning of organisations.

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comment by adnan6809 · 2018-12-05T18:23:33.586Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for your feedback. I just want to go over some of your points:

Motivated reasoning plays into most high stakes decisions in big organisations as the decisions matter.

I came up with my proposal as a possible solution to the problem mentioned in the following article: (https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/improving-institutional-decision-making/). I guess I should have mentioned this article in my proposal.

when you give a lot of political power to your "checks and balance"-committee that's going to act politically as well and won't just follow norms of abstract reasoning.

I mentioned in my proposal that the members of the committee are supposed to be non-partisan, so the members of the committee are not politically motivated. I didn't mention anything in my proposal about the checks and balances committee being regulated, and that is a modification that I should make.

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comment by ChristianKl · 2018-12-05T20:23:49.187Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I came up with my proposal as a possible solution to the problem mentioned in the following article: (https://80000hours.org/problem-profiles/improving-institutional-decision-making/).

It doesn't address the problem in that article. The problem that was described in the article there no mention of the committee making the decision engaging in motivated reasoning in their decision to go to war. It's rather about motivated cognition at the level of intelligence gathering which happened outside of the decision making about whether or not to go to war.

I mentioned in my proposal that the members of the committee are supposed to be non-partisan, so the members of the committee are not politically motivated.

Saying that people should be non-partisan doesn't help when the decision is important enough so that everybody with the skillset to make the decision has a stake in the outcome.

The US Supreme Court is supposed to be made up of non-partisan judges but the effect isn't that you don't see political influence in the outcome of the decision.

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comment by onething · 2018-12-05T21:42:36.665Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I hope that this doesn't come off as an appeal to authority, but hasn't the Supreme Court been effective in catching most (or at least a fair amount) of the misinterpretations of the US Constitution and breaches of power? To be fair I am not legal expert and that is a mere assumption so it could be very wrong. But if it is not, then what is to say that although this group may not be exactly non-partisan, just like the Supreme Court they will be non-partisan enough to catch most breaches?

Or is the flaw here assuming that they will be as impartial as the Supreme Court justices?

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comment by Raemon · 2018-12-05T22:04:07.284Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I don't have a strong opinion on how good a job the Supreme Court has done, but it does pretty clearly vote along party lines on obviously-party-line issues.

comment by adnan6809 · 2018-12-05T21:35:23.926Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I guess my approach is slightly different to the approach discussed in that article.

I'm not entirely certain about this, but In regards to non-partisanship, is there perhaps some sort of screening process/background check that can be carried out to identify individuals who are non-partisan (for joining the proctoring committee)? Something like the Harvard Implicit Bias test but for motivated reasoning? Asking people to quickly make decisions in situations susceptible to motivated reasoning? This test has been criticized but also has some research in support so it may be the best option. Could a blockchain system eliminate bias within the proctoring committee?

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comment by Pattern · 2018-12-06T04:03:26.597Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Could a blockchain system eliminate bias within the proctoring committee?

How?

(I understand how the blockchain can be used for currency*, or perhaps like a decentralized google docs**, but "eliminating bias" I don't get. (Though that would be really amazing.)

*blockchain keeps track of how much money there is

blockchain keeps track of who has been given permission to view documents

)

comment by Said Achmiz (SaidAchmiz) · 2018-12-03T19:38:03.581Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Meta note: this entire post is in bold face, which makes it hard to read. Could you edit it to remove the bold?