Outdoor dancing is likely very safe

post by jefftk (jkaufman) · 2021-10-11T01:40:02.498Z · LW · GW · 4 comments

After the spontaneous contra dance at Porchfest, I'm helping organize another one. I wanted to get a better sense of how much covid risk an attendee would be taking, so I ran some numbers on microcovid. If everyone is masked and vaccinated, I count ~2.2 microcovids:

If you have multiple lines close together, you could ~double these numbers. Other social dances are likely ~half as risky.

This is a very low level of risk: about 1% of a cautious risk budget of 200 microcovids/week (1% risk of covid/year).

I wish I'd run these numbers sooner: this is probably our last chance for an outdoor dance in Boston before spring.


An outdoor dance in October 2013

We may end up dancing indoors this winter. Over the next few months I think our communities are likely to move away from treating covid as something where we have a duty to make substantial sacrifices to limit spread. Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, including boosters and approving the vaccine for kids, I think people will view the tradeoffs very differently.

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comment by Sameerishere · 2021-10-11T16:16:03.549Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

How heavily do you think people breathe while doing the sorts of dancing you describe, and does that impact whether it's appropriate to model the scenario as "silent"?

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comment by jefftk (jkaufman) · 2021-10-11T19:01:48.750Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

It's not much more vigorous than walking? Like, I wouldn't need to be opening my mouth to get in additional air.

Even if you treat it as "talking", though, it's still only ~10 microcovid.

comment by Randomized, Controlled (BossSleepy) · 2021-10-11T20:20:36.811Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I always model as "loud talking" when doing assessments for dancing -- back in the before times, that would be accurate, but I've found that everyone is pretty tentative right now, and "vigorous walking" is probably closer to the baseline.

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comment by Sameerishere · 2021-10-11T21:38:48.194Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks folks. Asking for my own benefit as someone who dances fusion and has been attending some (small, masked, vaccinated) indoor events lately. I think microfusion is probably somewhere between silent and normal and regular fusion is probably between normal and loud. (Trying to balance heavier/more frequent breathing with the fact that people are literally speaking, not talking.)