Trick-or-treating in Covid Times

post by jefftk (jkaufman) · 2020-10-31T00:30:05.643Z · LW · GW · 7 comments

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Somerville has asked its residents not to trick-or-treat:

Mayor Joseph A. Curtatone and the Somerville Board of Health announced Halloween guidance and related updates today. They strongly urge all community members to forgo trick-or-treating in favor of lower-risk activities as defined by the Centers for Disease Control such as at-home activities and holiday crafts.
   —somervillema.gov
They link to MA and CDC guidelines.

I have generally supported Somerville's cautious approach, closing more quickly and opening more slowly than surrounding towns, keeping schools remote until we can make sure we have sufficient ventilation, organizing outdoor enrichment activities for students, etc. But I don't understand how any town that allows indoor dining can categorize trick-or-treating as impermissibly high risk?

At this stage in the pandemic, we know that transmission primarily happens through shared air, and outdoor activities are far safer than indoor ones. Especially indoor ones where people are, as in restaurants, generally unmasked and talking. Traditional trick-or-treating, where everyone rings the same doorbells, frequents centralized trick-or-treating corridors, gets quite close to each other, and reaches into the same bowls of candy, I agree is risky. The core experience of trick-or-treating, however, is walking around outside in costumes, going to neighbors' houses, and collecting candy. This can be done with very low risk:

Our fall and winter holidays and traditions are full of gathering indoors with food and song. Trick-or-treating is a rare exception, and we should make the most of it.

I'm planning to take the kids out tomorrow night, and I think if we're thoughtful about what we need to do differently it won't be any more risky than our usual evening walks around the neighborhood.

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comment by kithpendragon · 2020-10-31T12:19:13.820Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Our trick-or-treat night was last night (the 30th, and yes that's stupid, I know). We set up a slide for treats and wore (covid) masks. Nearly all the kids were properly masked, and the adults who weren't tended to stay well off the sidewalks. We were fully prepared for about 40 kids with little paper boxes containing a chocolate, a fruity candy, a sticker, and a toy. Based on previous years, we figured that would be ample supply, but it was gone in <45 minutes and we were sending loose candy down the chute for the rest of the evening. With parties being too risky this year, it seems like our community came out to trick-or-treat like never before in self defense. We probably saw north of a hundred kids!

We also took our 4yo around the neighborhood. We made it clear that we were looking for socially distant treats, and we found plenty (though we had the only candy slide on the block; most people set up tables and spread out treats)! I haven't seen the kid so excited very often this year; he was literally wiggling with glee.

comment by Taran · 2020-11-02T13:46:07.663Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

But I don't understand how any town that allows indoor dining can categorize trick-or-treating as impermissibly high risk?

I think it's about risk versus reward, rather than risk per se.  If you allow indoor dining, the restaurant owners make money and won't fail or need bailouts (as often).  Trick or treating doesn't offer as much benefit economically.

(Not endorsing this reasoning, just trying to empathize).

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comment by Kenny · 2020-11-05T23:40:43.141Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think you made a good effort at intellectual charity!

comment by Steven Byrnes (steve2152) · 2020-10-31T02:24:55.783Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I agree all around. We're putting a table in front of our house and spreading out a bunch of little bags of candy on it, then off to trick-or-treat!

comment by remizidae · 2020-10-31T02:00:48.021Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

And...this is the first time you’re noticing that government lockdown rules make absolutely no sense?

Of course they don’t! Which is why we all should make our own decisions. I know from your other posts that you are being much, much, much more risk-averse than simply following the law would require. Other people are being less risk-averse than following the law would require. Both can be rational, because each of us has different circumstances, values, and risk preferences. Don’t expect the government to be your guide.

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comment by Viliam · 2020-10-31T22:12:10.412Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

It's not just "more risk" vs "less risk", but banning the less risky activities while allowing the more risky ones.

(Other countries do that, too.)

comment by Kenny · 2020-11-05T23:48:36.232Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This comes across as a little off-topic and 'politicsy' (which we generally try to minimize).

It's also not true that the rules for Jeff's specific jurisdiction make "absolutely no sense". And some of his readers are people that live in the area so it's useful for him to discuss new rules as they're made and share his judgement of how good or bad he thinks they are.

Overall, I read your comment as criticizing for Jeff mentioning his city's "lockdown rules" at all, which is not a welcome sentiment generally.