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comment by Pongo · 2020-05-17T01:10:56.323Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Sometimes I appear to be looking for something to ‘work distract’ me. I’ll think “I should figure out the best use of my day”, and then decide “well, I’ll just check this email that only gets productive stuff sent to it, and then maybe I’ll start doing something off the back of that”. This is not a terrible habit: it leads to a lot of the work I end up getting done. But it is interesting that it displaces actually prioritising.

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comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2020-05-17T22:39:37.302Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Ryan Holiday calls this "Productive Procrastination". I find this mental move especially valuable when:

  1. I have a creative problem I need to let germinate, so I can just go with the flow of answering emails or whatever while that happens.

  2. My highest priority tasks aren't conducive to the state I'm in, so I need something lower value to build momentum.

comment by Pongo · 2020-05-08T21:02:15.275Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

When I'm being unproductive, I can usually think of a hack to fix it. But I also normally really don't want to do it. The feeling is similar to unsolicited debugging ("Yes, of course I could try that ...").

An obvious guess is some internal conflict -- it's interesting that my strategies for helping with that (e.g. focusing) are also normally rejected in the same way.

I think a lot of the time I would be well-served by using [old : burning the] willpower to institute the hack, but I wish I had a better classifier for when

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comment by Pattern · 2020-05-09T02:33:26.003Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
for when

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comment by Pongo · 2020-06-24T17:29:39.700Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

People sometimes argue agains, for example, engaging with the news because its incentives run sufficiently counter to your own [LW · GW]. This seems reasonably convincing. But almost everything has incentives that run at least a little counter to my goals. And almost every organisation is made up of people that are overall pretty decent. When does the former overpower the latter such that it's better to Get Gone [LW · GW].

For now, my partial answer is that if something is existentially incentivized counter to my decision making, then I don't want any part of it, no matter how noble the individuals producing it may be. If an organisation can only exist by making me forget to choose what I want, then it has either managed to overcome the moralities of those within it, or it doesn't exist for me to interact with

I'm drawing a bright line around my decision making, because that appears to be fragile and (obviously) important enough to keep. Maybe if I regularly got tricked into spending all my money, my money would also be important enough to keep safe (unlike now)

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comment by Rudi C (rudi-c) · 2020-06-25T08:24:28.504Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think you’re modeling it wrong. Overtheorizing, if I may say.

You need to first judge an offering on its value, and then consider its costs. Among the costs there might be that it tries to trick you. There is nothing special about this particular cost. It might be big for, e.g., Instagram. Then you will naturally reach the conclusion that Instagram is not worth it.

I think the crucial insight is that most of us do not intuitively perceive Instagram as an actively malicious manipulator, because its attack vector is novel and not evolutionarily encountered. Generally, institutions and systems are much stronger now than they were in the past, but our intuitions disregard them. Another example is how people care so much about the object level fact that Facebook built a spying VPN, but not much at all about how Facebook is hoarding power through network effects.

comment by Pongo · 2020-06-06T23:45:33.958Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Why have humans done so well?

Is it because of our intelligence? I think clearly it has something to do with it, but it's very vague to me exactly how. Like, is it basically just we had a bit of spare capacity to develop some technology, and then we were in a positive feedback loop? I'm also confused by my understanding that humans are not undergoing significant selection for intelligence. And it seems like a smaller group of smarter humans would have done worse than a larger group of dumber humans for a lot of our history.

So is it because of cooperation? I think not. The eusocials (among hymenoptera or the naked mole rats) have us licked in that department.

One possibility is that the smarts, language and interaction just let us be a substrate for memes. In that picture humans are just powerful and in control of many resources because the stable memes that lead humans to spread widely and reproduce a lot also led us to be powerful

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comment by Viliam · 2020-06-07T10:05:10.604Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Cooperation + brain capacity = you can have complex memes.

Memes coevolve with biology. If stone axe is useful, then being too stupid to use a stone axe becomes evolutionary disadvantage. Memes bring technology; technology selects for the ability to use it... though not for the ability to invent it... but also for the ability to teach it. Compared to other species, humans are excellent teachers and learners.

An animal can invent a smart method to get food, but without the ability to teach it to kids, the invention is lost in long-term perspective. Probably happened to humans at the beginning, too; you need thousands of years to invent a stone axe not because it is such difficult invention, but because you have a long cycle of inventing, forgetting, inventing again, the know-how spreads to another tribe, the tribe loses the know-how, etc.

I imagine that humans were already on a better trajectory than other species before the invention of language. (You don't need language to observe how other person makes a stone axe and learn by copying them.) Language probably became possible only after the coevolution with memes created sufficient general-purpose brain capacity. Then, of course, language accelerated the spread of memes to unprecedented levels.

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comment by B Jacobs (Bob Jacobs) · 2020-06-07T20:32:05.573Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Don’t discount our hands tho. It is what allowed the tool use and (perhaps more importantly) the initial use of fire to be in our control. A big brain means nothing if you can’t use it to manipulate the world around you and opposable thumbs gave humans the finesse to actualize their clever fantasies.