Comment by blueberry on I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won - Twice!) · 2014-07-03T02:44:02.726Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Can you give me an example of a NLP "program" that influences someone, or link me to a source that discusses this more specifically? I'm interested but, as I said, skeptical, and looking for more specifics.

Comment by blueberry on Post ridiculous munchkin ideas! · 2014-06-29T12:29:09.421Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

I'd guess it was more likely to be emotional stuff relating to living with people who once had such control over you. I can't stand living at my parents' for very long either... it's just stressful and emotionally draining.

Comment by blueberry on I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won - Twice!) · 2014-06-29T12:26:48.397Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

What pragmatist said. Even if you can't break it down step by step, can you explain what the mechanism was or how the attack was delivered? Was it communicated with words? If it was hidden how did your friend understand it?

Comment by blueberry on I attempted the AI Box Experiment again! (And won - Twice!) · 2014-06-29T03:31:37.185Z · score: 4 (4 votes) · LW · GW

How did the attack happen? I'm skeptical.

Comment by blueberry on LW Women- Minimizing the Inferential Distance · 2013-04-27T00:56:44.813Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

See this article on Sarah Hrdy.

Comment by blueberry on A Marriage Ceremony for Aspiring Rationalists · 2012-10-24T01:42:38.127Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Sorry, I couldn't tell what was a quote and what wasn't.

Polyamory is usually defined as honest nonmonogamy. In other words, any time someone is dating two people openly, that's poly. It's how many humans naturally behave. It doesn't require exposure to US poly communities, or any community in general for that matter.

Comment by blueberry on A Marriage Ceremony for Aspiring Rationalists · 2012-10-23T23:44:14.189Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

As you discuss in the dropbox link, this is a pretty massive selection bias. I'd suggest that this invalidates any statement made on the basis of these studies about "poly people," since most poly people seem not to be included. People all over the world are poly, in every country, of every race and class.

It's as if we did a study of "rationalists" and only included people on LW, ignoring any scientists, policy makers, or evidence-based medical researchers, simply because they didn't use the term "rationalist."

You state:

While polyamory communities have blossomed for decades in the USA (cf. Munson and Stelboum 1999a; Anderlini-D’Onofrio 2004c), polyamory is still quite unknown in Europe. The social organisation of polyamorous communities is not very advanced in most European countries.

Clearly polyamory is not unknown in Europe, though the word "polyamory" might be. Let's not confuse polyamory, which exists anytime someone openly dates two people, with socially organized communities using the term "polyamory."

Comment by blueberry on Causal Diagrams and Causal Models · 2012-10-23T21:01:08.708Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

I know that the antidepressant Wellbutrin, which is a stimulant, has been associated with a small amount of weight loss over a few months, though I'm not sure if this has been shown to stay for longer. That's an off-label use though.

I'd guess that any stimulant would show weight loss in the short-term. Is there some reason this wouldn't stay long-term?

Comment by blueberry on Glenn Beck discusses the Singularity, cites SI researchers · 2012-10-23T07:56:25.582Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

How is Mormonism attractive? You don't even get multiple wives anymore. And most people think you're crazy.

Comment by blueberry on Causal Diagrams and Causal Models · 2012-10-23T07:47:07.984Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

What about a small amount of mild stimulant use?

Comment by blueberry on How To Have Things Correctly · 2012-10-23T07:07:31.637Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Why would you not want to be someone who wears a cloak often? And whatever those reasons are, why wouldn't they prevent you from wearing a cloak after you buy it?

Comment by blueberry on The Fabric of Real Things · 2012-10-23T07:00:04.551Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

it's very, very likely there's life outside our solar system, but I don't have any evidence of it

If there's no evidence of it (circumstantial evidence included), what makes you think it's very likely?

Comment by blueberry on A Marriage Ceremony for Aspiring Rationalists · 2012-10-23T06:36:16.111Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Poly groups tend to be well-educated well-paid white people

I'm baffled by this. Are you saying most studies tend to be done on this group? Do you mean in the US? Are you referring to groups who call themselves poly, or the general practice of honest nonmonogamy?

Comment by blueberry on Polyhacking · 2012-10-23T06:25:34.989Z · score: 5 (5 votes) · LW · GW

Are you polysaturated yet? Most people seem to find 2-3 to be the practical limit.

Comment by blueberry on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-23T06:19:09.165Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

I actually never was asked to say the Pledge in any US school I went to, and I've never even seen it said. I'm pretty sure this is limited to some parts of the country and is no longer as universal as it may have been once. If someone did go to one such school, they and their parents would have the option of simply not saying the Pledge, transferring to a different school (I doubt private or religious schools say it), or homeschooling/unschooling.

Comment by blueberry on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-23T06:16:28.812Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

For what it's worth, I've never seen it said in any of the US schools I've attended. It's not universal.

Comment by blueberry on SotW: Be Specific · 2012-04-04T19:58:45.990Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

I've played that game, using various shaped blocks that the Customer has to assemble in a specific pattern. It's great.

There's also the variation with an Intermediary, and the Expert and Customer can only communicate with the Intermediary, who moves back and forth between rooms and can't write anything down.

Comment by blueberry on My Childhood Death Spiral · 2012-04-02T08:46:27.251Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Precommiting is useful in many situations, one being where you want to make sure you do something in the future when you know something might change your mind. In Cialdini's "Influence," for instance, he discusses how saying in public "I am not going to smoke another cigarette" is helpful in quitting smoking.

If you think you might change your mind, then surely you would want to have the freedom to do so?

The whole point is that I want to remove that freedom. I don't want the option of changing my mind.

Another classic example is the general who burned his ships upon landing so there would be no option to retreat, to make his soldiers fight harder.

Comment by blueberry on SotW: Check Consequentialism · 2012-04-02T08:42:23.709Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

If you know what you're doing, the Phd example is not more than a 5 minute process - I've walked people through worse things in about that time.

Please elaborate!

Comment by blueberry on My Childhood Death Spiral · 2012-04-02T08:07:51.965Z · score: -1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

I don't want to eat anything steaklike unless it came from a real, mooing, cow. I don't care how it's killed.

I'm worried I'm overestimating my resistance to advertising, so I'm hereby precommitting to this in writing.

Comment by blueberry on Rationality Quotes April 2012 · 2012-04-02T07:48:02.386Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

Would "servant" not otherwise be justified?

Comment by blueberry on Rationality Quotes April 2012 · 2012-04-02T07:46:11.084Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

That's a good reminder but I'm not sure how it applies here.

Comment by blueberry on Rationality Quotes April 2012 · 2012-04-02T07:44:37.720Z · score: 12 (14 votes) · LW · GW

It also fails in the case where the strangest thing that's true is an infinite number of monkeys dressed as Hitler. Then adding one doesn't change it.

More to the point, the comparison is more about typical fiction, rather than ad hoc fictional scenarios. There are very few fictional works with monkeys dressed as Hitler.

Comment by blueberry on Why Does Power Corrupt? · 2012-04-02T07:37:44.202Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Yes, "sweet" is a great description. Why, how would you describe it?

Comment by blueberry on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 13, chapter 81 · 2012-04-01T20:08:03.010Z · score: 1 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Awesome! Good to know.

Comment by blueberry on Rationality Quotes April 2012 · 2012-04-01T20:07:04.899Z · score: 3 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Also judging from his other quotes I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant...

Comment by blueberry on Rationality Quotes April 2012 · 2012-04-01T20:01:04.288Z · score: 4 (4 votes) · LW · GW

I guess, but that seems like a strange interpretation seeing as the speaker says he's no longer "a skeptic" in general.

Comment by blueberry on What I've learned from Less Wrong · 2012-04-01T19:53:12.163Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Thanks... I'm still going through the most recent Callahan novels. Jake Stonebender does kinda have a temper.

Comment by blueberry on Why Does Power Corrupt? · 2012-04-01T19:51:55.998Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Downvoted and upvoted the counterbalance (which for some reason was at -1 already; someone didn't follow your instructions). You're surprised people like power?

Comment by blueberry on My Childhood Death Spiral · 2012-04-01T19:46:52.436Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

I suspect you overestimate how much most people like cows...

Comment by blueberry on My Childhood Death Spiral · 2012-04-01T19:45:52.297Z · score: 3 (3 votes) · LW · GW

There's no doubt that killing cows like we do now will be outlawed after we find another way to have the steak.

No doubt at all? I'd put money on this being wrong. Why would it be outlawed?

Including the problems like 'how to have a steak without killing a cow'.

I'm not sure that's the relevant problem. The more important problem is "how can we get more and better steaks cheaper?"

Comment by blueberry on Rationality Quotes April 2012 · 2012-04-01T19:41:53.259Z · score: 0 (4 votes) · LW · GW

I must be misinterpreting this, because it appears to say "religion is obvious if you just open your eyes." How is that a rationality quote?

Comment by blueberry on What I've learned from Less Wrong · 2012-04-01T19:35:22.758Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Ok, but... wouldn't the same objection apply to virtually any action/adventure movie or novel? Kick Ass, all the Die Hard movies, anything Tarantino, James Bond, Robert Ludlum's Bourne Identity novels and movies, et cetera. They all have similar violent scenes.

Comment by blueberry on What I've learned from Less Wrong · 2012-04-01T02:29:35.452Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by blueberry on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 10 · 2012-03-31T06:00:59.216Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Not me, Harry. Harry, being a rationalist, wants to know the truth about his world, and he wouldn't be happy with a Watsonian explanation that ignored important facts about how the world he lives in came to be.

Comment by blueberry on I've had it with those dark rumours about our culture rigorously suppressing opinions · 2012-03-30T23:44:38.794Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

That particular source is actually not as bad as the name would suggest, since it refers to the guy fighting back and standing up for himself when he's already in an abusive relationship and financially unable to leave. He doesn't recommend it to people in general.

Comment by blueberry on I've had it with those dark rumours about our culture rigorously suppressing opinions · 2012-03-30T15:28:27.258Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

What's funny is that I liked your comment even before I knew about the domestic violence thing. It read more as silly and sarcastic than insulting.

Comment by blueberry on The 5-Second Level · 2012-03-30T11:23:27.055Z · score: -1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

The classic is Andrew Tobias, "The Only Investment Guide You'll Ever Need." You can trust it because he's not selling anything and teaches common-sense, conservative advice: no risky speculation or anything.

Comment by blueberry on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 13, chapter 81 · 2012-03-30T10:53:25.817Z · score: -2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

Yeah, isn't it?

Comment by blueberry on I've had it with those dark rumours about our culture rigorously suppressing opinions · 2012-03-30T10:52:58.173Z · score: -2 (8 votes) · LW · GW

Well, he was advocating domestic violence earlier. So it was appropriate.

Comment by blueberry on Brain Preservation · 2012-03-30T07:12:13.426Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

The slogan needs a Futurama reference in there somewhere.

Comment by blueberry on What I've learned from Less Wrong · 2012-03-30T03:19:51.410Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Heh, I like to joke about giving my computer cocaine to make it run faster.

Comment by Blueberry on [deleted post] 2012-03-30T03:17:54.020Z

Do you think this because of the Brad Pitt question?

That, and the fact that the participants were asked to guess how good in bed their friend or a random person was. The qualities that make someone seem good in bed are also qualities that people find sexually attractive, e.g. confidence, fashion sense, dancing skill. Also, a big part of sex is mental, so people you find attractive will be better in bed.

I actually think we have good evidence that our culture does not teach men how to (literally) please a woman sexually, nor require it, and that one man without training would find this far more difficult than an alien might suppose.

What evidence? Books and webpages on the subject abound. Magazines are filled with articles on sexual skills. And like any skill, of course, it takes practice to develop, but our current culture is far more accepting of women explicitly communicating what they like than in the past; women are routinely encouraged to do so (though slut-shaming still exists).

I'm confused by the relevance of your "one man" link to partible paternity, which concerns the belief that a child can have more than one father.

We'd therefore expect any woman with a shred of rationality to expect less pleasure from the random "attractive" man the study asks her to imagine.

This makes sense, but isn't the whole story. I would like to see answers to the following scenario:

A close and trusted friend of the same sex introduces you to an average looking person of the opposite sex, saying "This guy/girl is really good in bed. Trust me, we had a fling awhile back. You two should have some fun together." The person says "I have been noticing you and I find you to be very attractive. Would you go to bed with me tonight?" Rate the likelihood that you'd accept.

This eliminates the bias and is a much better version of the question. I predict that men are much more likely to accept in this scenario. If I'm wrong, this would be good evidence that women are not more selective when danger and sexual ability are taken into account.

the following seems like at least weak evidence against the conflation of perceived sexual capability with attractiveness

I don't see how. Obviously if a straight woman is going to guess how good another woman is in bed, it won't relate to how attracted she is to the other woman. Also, it's not surprising that the average woman would rate an average woman as better at pleasing her than the average man: as you say, there is a popular conception that men don't know how to please women, and women have an obvious advantage in familiarity with a female body..

Comment by blueberry on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 13, chapter 81 · 2012-03-30T02:13:51.072Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

They do stock market stuff in Primer?

Comment by blueberry on What I've learned from Less Wrong · 2012-03-30T02:07:09.093Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

I'm trying to understand exactly what squicks you, and I'm not doing a very good job... the Revolution in Night of Power was pretty peaceful as revolutions go.

Comment by blueberry on What I've learned from Less Wrong · 2012-03-30T02:05:46.823Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

I love what I have read. I've only read a few of his novels though. Which one has that plot turn and what's the plot turn?

Comment by blueberry on What I've learned from Less Wrong · 2012-03-30T02:04:37.978Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Hmm?

Comment by blueberry on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 13, chapter 81 · 2012-03-30T01:35:03.433Z · score: -1 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Actually, Draco muses on the history of House Malfoy at some chapter I can't find right now, and how they're always the second-in-command to greatest leaders. Saying Draco would never agree to service is probably disregarding important and relevant information.

I was more looking for an excuse to get Harry and Draco married. ;)

But no, I think Draco is way too proud to swear subservience to Harry.

Namely, that you place such a high value on dominant roles for males and submissive roles for females that your perception is skewed. I'm curious if you think there might be some accuracy in that.

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. Those have historically been the usual gender roles. I obviously don't think that everyone follows them or that everyone should follow them, because I'm not an idiot.

Comment by Blueberry on [deleted post] 2012-03-30T01:26:56.018Z

I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you mean our culture doesn't do a very good job teaching men to be attractive?

"perception of sexual capabilities" has nothing to do with actual skills in bed, and everything to do with how (sexually and non-physically) attractive someone is.

Comment by blueberry on Rational Romantic Relationships, Part 1: Relationship Styles and Attraction Basics · 2012-03-30T01:23:10.112Z · score: 3 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Why would it be "obvious"? Even completely ignoring these questions still leads to useful insight for the majority of cases in practice.

It was the first thought I had. The association in my mind went something like

girl with lots of partners ---> girl is sexually awesome ---> female partners and group sex ---> if someone thinks having multiple partners is bad, is that bad?

Saying "I like girls who [have the characteristic X]" sounds as if you like such girls for non-serious, shorter-term relationships in which you have the upper hand

No, I meant long term.

To answer your question, we'd need to get into a discussion of the motivational mechanisms of the behaviors you mention, but that is certain to lead to even more controversial questions, which I'd really prefer not to get into.

(Still, you should watch for traits that indicate propensity for troublesome behaviors that can get you into unpleasant situations, or even serious problems, even in the context of such a relationship. What's indicated by sheer partner count in this regard, independent of the mechanism I described earlier, is another can of worms I'd rather not open.)

and "if he knows how to be attractive enough" is a can-opener assumption in this context.

I am incredibly curious about your thoughts in these matters. You hint lots of things but don't spell them out. I disagree with your assertions that LW's gotten worse and is a bad place for these discussions, and I get that you don't want to post them publicly on LW, but can you PM me? I promise to keep them private if you'd like.

As for the specifics and straight talk, there are plenty of blogs and forums where such things can be discussed ad infinitum.

The ones I've seen either a) take weird conservative positions, b) are filled with bitterness and hatred towards women, c) deteriorate into madonna/whore complexes, slut-shaming, and name calling, without much intelligent discussion or reasoning, or d) seem sane to me, but agree with my viewpoint on things.

Besides, I want to know what you think. You're sane, reasonable, intelligent, and have a viewpoint that's very different from mine, but seems like it might have a lot to offer. Please PM me. You're giving me half of thoughts that I haven't seen anywhere else, and can't find on fora elsewhere, and I want the other half!

On the other hand, if you're aiming for a committed relationship, a woman's high number of previous partners (which in fact doesn't even have to be extremely high) definitely makes the deck stacked against you. This follows from the basic statistics of the situation,

I don't see how this stacks the deck.