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Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Superintelligence 23: Coherent extrapolated volition · 2023-06-26T14:04:24.983Z · LW · GW

ethics is just the heuristics genes use to get themselves copied. we're all trying to maximize our own expected utility, but since none of us wants to let any others become a dictator, there is a game theoretical equilibrium where we agree to have rules like "murder is illegal" because even though it stops me from murdering you, it also stops you from murdering me. our rational goal is to shrink the circle of people included in this decision to the smallest possible group that includes ourselves. hence why we wouldn't want to sacrifice our own interests for future humans.

this evolutionary ethics view of things avoids any other classic paradoxes like the repugnant conclusion.

often at this point the philosophy student will interject something about the is-ought fallacy. but that's not really a fallacy since there's no such thing as "ought". there's just preferences.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Monthly Roundup #1 · 2022-12-09T22:26:56.012Z · LW · GW

extensive computer simulations show that approval voting works extremely well, especially when voters are more tactical (game the system). and it has worked phenomenally well so far in fargo and st louis.

https://rpubs.com/Jameson-Quinn/vse6

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on A question about utilitarianism and selfishness. · 2022-12-03T17:24:04.509Z · LW · GW

Utilitarianism is certainly correct. You can observe this by watching people make decisions under uncertainty. Preferences aren't merely ordinal.

But yes, doing the math has its own utility cost, so many decisions are better off handled with approximations. This is how you get things like the Allais paradox.

I'm not sure what "moral" means here. The goal of a gene is to copy itself. Ethics isn't about altruism.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on A question about utilitarianism and selfishness. · 2022-12-03T15:51:41.608Z · LW · GW

Rational utilitarianism means maximizing your own expected utility. (Technically from the gene's perspective; so caring for your children is selfish.) Social contracts (voting, laws against killing, etc) are just the game theoretical result of everyone acting selfishly.

It's about selfishness not altruism.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Uncontroversially good legislation · 2022-01-16T06:15:34.551Z · LW · GW

Your point about minimum wage, is exactly the point I made about price controls more generally. Bravo.

https://medium.com/effective-economics/the-problem-with-price-controls-14b4ee116bf7

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Problems with using approval voting to elect to a multi-individual body? · 2021-09-29T06:29:59.821Z · LW · GW

This is just a variation of asset voting. I like it too. I could see an argument that you should start by redistributing the votes from the people who are guaranteed enough votes for a seat, because that could change elimination order. There are a bunch of different heuristics you could use.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Problems with using approval voting to elect to a multi-individual body? · 2021-09-29T06:28:22.718Z · LW · GW

It's not at all clear this is a problem. If all the winners are the closest to the centroid, then you will have statistically about the same overall ideological center within the group regardless of whether a proportionality is used. You might expect the lack of different perspectives to cause a problem, but a bunch of centrists can solicit expertise from multiple perspectives. Which makes sense since they are vying for every vote. Not to mention that a body of centrists will tend to get along a lot better than a bunch of quarreling extremists like American leftists and Trumpists.

But as was noted, there are things like sequential proportional approval voting if you really want PR.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Voting Phase UI: Aggregating common comments? · 2019-12-31T06:17:02.566Z · LW · GW

Quadratic Voting is a very bad idea. Score Voting (aka Range Voting) or STAR Voting are better.


http://scorevoting.net/MonetizedRV.html

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on A Re-Interpretation of the Normative Foundations of Majority Rule · 2019-12-16T06:15:43.765Z · LW · GW
majority preference’s intransitivity makes the notion of a best or winning candidate meaningless.

No. The social welfare function is *utilitarian*. The best candidate is the one with the greatest sum of utilities among all voters.

http://scorevoting.net/UtilFoundns

When you use this (correct) metric to assess voting methods, you get very interesting results.

http://scorevoting.net/BayRegsFig.html

http://rpubs.com/Jameson-Quinn/vse7

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Why Ranked Choice Voting Isn't Great · 2019-10-20T11:09:37.402Z · LW · GW

There's no group that prefers Kasich to Trump and also prefers Kasich to Clinton.

That is irrelevant.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Why Ranked Choice Voting Isn't Great · 2019-10-20T06:51:18.264Z · LW · GW

Australia has been using a much more complicated ranked system since 1918, and Ireland has used an even more complicated weighted proportional system. The entire state of Maine adopted IRV, and cardinal systems are much simpler. It's not a fatal disadvantage.

http://scorevoting.net/Complexity

The Approval Voting system is arguably simpler than the status quo, because you remove a rule. The one that stays your vote is invalid if you vote for multiple candidates.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Why Ranked Choice Voting Isn't Great · 2019-10-20T06:21:34.344Z · LW · GW
every voting system has downsides

You linked to an article about Arrow's Theorem, which only applies to ordinal (ranked) voting methods, not cardinal (rated) voting methods like Score Voting and Approval Voting.

In any case, it's worth noting that Approval Voting was adopted in Fargo, ND in November 2018, and will be used in June 2020.

There will be a 2020 ballot initiative in St. Louis to convert their current partisan March primary + April general with a non-partisan March open primary with Approval Voting, followed by an April top-two.

There will be twin 2020 ballot initiatives to get STAR Voting in Eugene, OR as well as in its surrounding Lane County, OR.

Cardinal voting methods will win in the long run.


Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Why Ranked Choice Voting Isn't Great · 2019-10-20T06:08:19.453Z · LW · GW

A 2/3 majority prefer Kasich to any other candidate. The point is that Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives dictates that if a group prefers X to Y, and prefers X to Z, that they logically must prefer X if all three are options. It's like if I ask you to choose between chocolate and vanilla and you pick chocolate; if I tell you strawberry is also an option, that shouldn't make you switch to vanilla.

Comment by Clay S (clay-s) on Why Ranked Choice Voting Isn't Great · 2019-10-20T06:04:31.282Z · LW · GW

See table 1.

http://scorevoting.net/RandElect