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Comment by Lukas on For Civilization and Against Niceness · 2023-11-21T07:22:29.319Z · LW · GW

Using that mental framework, I take Gabriels main point to be that sometimes factual disagreement is vital and in that case communicating it as clearly as possible is important and should take precedence over optimizing for niceness in form.

@Gabriel: does that match what you wanted to communicate?

Comment by Lukas on For Civilization and Against Niceness · 2023-11-21T06:48:06.575Z · LW · GW

Seems to me that "being nice" has multiple possible scopes and this is the generator of the disagreement.

I can be both nice in the form and/or content of my speech, as aphyer points out.

Gabriel seems to include "not inconveniencing others through factual disagreement" in "bing nice", while you (and I think Scott, too) exclude it.