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Re Climate
Oh yeah, I also wanted to have more questions that would inform me on the extent to which I should be prepping. Thanks for bringing it up, I'll add it.
Re Politics
And I also wanted to know the probability that San Francisco would receive a nuclear bomb or a earthquake of magnitude >X to inform me on whether I should avoid moving there.
it might be a sign to move one's assets into more liquid forms
Although by the time the prediction market tells you that, a lot of money will already have moved to liquid form, and so your assets will already have lost a lot of value.
Re AI
As for AI, putting aside the issue of operationalizing them in a prediction market, how would people change their behavior based on them? I guess by being more careful about their health and security if it seemed aligned AI was around the corner (and less careful if it seemed extension was). Also change career plans.
Last updated: 2019-07-24
Embryo selection
How likely is it that embryo selection (or other technology) will be available to a consumer for less than [price] per expected additional IQ point in the next [number of] years?
Similarly for other reproductive technology and characteristics.
Depending on the probability, one could decide to postpone having children and/or cryopreserve sperm/eggs/embryos.
Related: https://nickbostrom.com/papers/embryo.pdf
Immigration
How likely is it that people from country X will still be able to immigrate in country Y by year Z?
Depending on the probability, one could decide to immigrate sooner or later.
Cryonics
How likely is it that Oregon Cryonics will still offer services in 50 years? (conditioning on cryonics still being offered by some organizations)
Depending on the probability, one could decide to move to Salem or otherwise move near another facility (ex.: Phoenix).
Catastrophe risk in a city
How likely is it that San Francisco would receive a nuclear bomb? How likely is it that San Francisco would receive an earthquake of magnitude >X.
Depending on the probability, one could decide not to move to San Francisco.
Global catastrophe
How likely is it that world GDP drops that more than 10x in the next 10 years?
Depending on the probability, one could decide to start prepping.
Employment
How likely is it that there will be demand X for job Y in Z years?
Depending on the probability, one could chose a different career path.
Memory preservation
How likely is it that Google Photo will still have my pictures in X years?
Depending on the probability, one might do more or less back-ups.
Privacy
How likely is it that service X will leak some of my data by year Y?
Depending on the probability, one might avoid using the service.
Nutrition studies
How likely is it that there we be a good [to operationalize] study showing that creatine supplements have positive effects [to operationalize] in the next 20 years?
Depending on the probability, one might take creatine supplements.
Some notes on this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xGjvSHq7YdJDoTgfP08cgzeJKSrciT9b5E9AConBvjY/
please go ahead!:) and let me know if you have trouble editing the wiki
I guess the best way is just to post on a bunch of platforms and have those web pages back-up by various archiving services (notably the Wayback Machine).
Publishing a book is probably too much work for most used cases.
I've also heard one could publish text on the Bitcoin blockchain for example, but I'm not sure how well that works.
Sweet! I added it to the list of podcasts by people with a LessWrong profile: https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/List_of_Podcasts#By_people_with_Less_Wrong_profiles
See section “Games and Exercises” of “How to Run a Successful LessWrong Meetup Group” for some ideas: https://wiki.lesswrong.com/mediawiki/images/c/ca/How_to_Run_a_Successful_Less_Wrong_Meetup_Group.pdf
Because it's near the best cryonics facility in the world: https://alcor.org, and the quality of cryopreservations for people living in Phoenix is much higher in average than remote cases (it reduces the delay to start the procedure, it avoids problems at borders, the delay to start the sub-zero cool-down is shorter, they have good relationships with nearby hospitals, they have better infrastructure, and there's more legal antecedent supporting cryonics).
This summer I went to Phoenix for about a month to see how it was. I organized the first local effective altruism event: https://www.facebook.com/groups/EffectiveAltruismPhoenix/. I reached out to the LessWrong group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/317266081721112/ and the SlateStarCodex group: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/slate-star-codex-phoenix . There are 4 people in the Brain Debugging Discussion Facebook group that specified living in Phoenix on their Facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/groups/144017955332/local_members/ , 1 on the Effective Altruism Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/437177563005273/local_members/ , 0 on EA Hub: https://eahub.org/profiles , and 7 on the Global Transhumanist Association: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2229380549/local_members/ . IIRC, I had reached out to (some of) them as well (and probably more). I also had invited people from the cryonics community. IIRC, there was 2-3 rationalists and 3 cryonicists that showed up to the event. And maybe around 5 that were interested but couldn't make it. IIRC, there had been a few SSC events in the last 2 years, with maybe a total of something like 12 people showing up. I've also met with about 20 cryonics old-timers.
Other approaches I see towards solving this problem:
- do movement building once I'm Phoenix, or support other people that are interested in doing that
- try to connect more with rationalists (or rationalists adjacent) that are already in Phoenix
- instead of finding 75 interesting (to me) people, find only a dozen, but start a strong intentional community
- here's one project proposal for this idea: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JdZ1lnXwoJatofsYa-oVKM0b55ev9EFr081Twd0YebI/ (this is just an idea; I'm much more flexible than that, and my interests are wider); I visited a lot of intentional communities, and have been running one for 3 years ( https://macroscope.house/ ), so I think I would have the expertise to start a new one
- significantly improve the cryonics response quality in other cities (current contenders: Salem, Berkeley, Los Angeles)
If you (or anyone you know) are interested or can help with any of those, that would be great/appreciated!
How many rationalists / EAs / interesting people do you know in Phoenix? Do you like living in Phoenix?
I would like to connect with more LessWronger in Phoenix. If you want, you can add me on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/mati.roy.09 and/or send me an email at contact@matiroy.com and/or chat in public on https://www.reddit.com/r/Mati_Roy/ .
Allow to edit one's username (context: I now go by Mati_Roy instead of MathieuRoy, but I don't want to create another account and loose my history).
I added this thread here: https://causeprioritization.org/Coordination
Meta note: I'll likely edit this answer when I think of more answers.
General note: If you're interested in any of the propositions below (except the first one), please let me know, either here or at contact@matiroy.com .
Bootstrapping a commitment platform
Make at least 5 commitments if a commitment platform is created (or rather, the creator might want to commit to improving a bare-bone platform if at least 200 people commit to make a total of at least 1,000 commitments).
Improving the Cause Prioritization Wiki (CPW)
Migrate the CPW on the MediaWiki platform and improve the structure if enough people commit edits for a total of 2000+ edits.
Side note: I've added this thread here: https://causeprioritization.org/Coordination
Moving to Phoenix
If 75 EAs / rationalists / life extensionists committed to move to Phoenix this year, I’d move to Phoenix this year.
Financing cryonics research
If 500 other people committed 10,000 USD to cryonics research, I would give 10,000 USD to cryonics research.
Doing a cryonics related PhD
I would do a PhD in some field relevant to cryonics if some people committed a fraction of my salary to do cryonics research over 10 years. That is, they would give say 20% (or 10k USD / year) of my salary to whatever cryonics lab that hires me.
Training a local cryonics team
I would arrange to have a local (to Montreal) standby cryonics team if at least 500,000 CAD was committed (exact amount TBD). (Although I guess I could just use Kickstarter for that, or do it entirely ad hoc?)
Organizing Rationalist Olympiads
If 12+ people committed to go to Rationalist Olympiads (in Montreal), I would organize Rationalist Olympiads.
How would you classify existential risks within this framework? (or would you?)
Here's my attempt. Any corrections or additions would be appreciated.
Transparent risks: asteroids (we roughly know the frequency?)
Opaque risks: geomagnetic storms (we don't know how resistant the electric grid is, although we have an idea of their frequency), natural physics disasters (such as vacuum decay), killed by an extraterrestrial civilization (could also fit black swans and adversarial environments depending on its nature)
Knightian risks:
- Black swans: ASI, nanotech, bioengineered pandemics, simulation shutdown (assuming it's because of something we did)
- Dynamic environment: “dysgenic” pressures (maybe also adversarial), natural pandemics (the world is getting more connected, medicine more robust, etc. which makes it difficult how the risks of natural pandemics are changing), nuclear holocaust (the game theoretic equilibrium changes as we get nuclear weapon that are faster and more precised, better detectors, etc.)
- Adversarial environments: resource depletion or ecological destruction, misguided world government or another static social equilibrium that stops technological progress, repressive totalitarian global regime, take-over by a transcending upload (?), our potential or even our core values are eroded by evolutionary development (ex.: Hansonian em world)
Other (?): technological arrests ("The sheer technological difficulties in making the transition to the posthuman world might turn out to be so great that we never get there." from https://nickbostrom.com/existential/risks.html )
From the original article by Nick Bostrom: "Reductions existential risks are global public goods [13] and may therefore be undersupplied by the market [14]. Existential risks are a menace for everybody and may require acting on the international plane. Respect for national sovereignty is not a legitimate excuse for failing to take countermeasures against a major existential risk." See: https://nickbostrom.com/existential/risks.html
related comment: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/F7hZ8co3L82nTdX4f/do-eas-underestimate-opportunities-to-create-many-small#XGSQX45NkAN9qSB9A
it's certainly interesting from the perspective of the Doomsday Argument if advanced civilizations have a thermodynamic incentive to wait until nearly the end of the universe before using their hoarded negentropy
Related: That is not dead which can eternal lie: the aestivation hypothesis for resolving Fermi's paradox (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.03394.pdf)
Assuming this is all true, and that Benevolent ASIs have the advantage, in finite universes, it's worth noting that this still requires the Benevolent ASIs to trade-off computations for increasing the lifespan of people to computations to increase the fraction of suffering-free observer-moments.
EA safety community
Lapsus? ^_^
Have you published the results?
Might be of interest to some readers:
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See: http://www.spliddit.org/apps/goods
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FYI: I use this Chrome extension to gender-neutralize what I read: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-ungender/blfboedipjpaphkkdoddffpnfjknfeda?hl=en
Just saw your comment. Thanks for letting me know.
- jumpsuits/onepieces (I find them really comfortable)
- if you don't have a lot of dishes (ex.: live alone), something like this to avoid putting your hands in hot water, and with soap in the handle to be more efficient
- a second pillow to put between or below your legs when you sleep
David Pizer started a petition to promote more anti-aging research.
"In 40 to 100 years, if the world governments spent money on research for aging reversal instead of for research on building weapons that can kill large numbers of people, world scientists could develop a protocol to reverse aging and at that time people could live as long as they wanted to in youthful, strong, healthy bodies."
To sign the petition, go here
Telling in advance what results you expect change the results for many reasons (ex.: the pygmalion effect, the golem effect, the stereotype threat, etc.).
Done it. The whole thing! (edit: except the last question)
Good point, I edited the post to make that clear.
Is it because a lot of people think that continuing to live as a clone or a simulation is just as good as continuing to live as the original? If so, then I don't mind rephrasing what I mean by death. The important point is that I don't mean the death of the body, but rather the death of the mind.
Ok thanks for your answers!
Thank you for your answer.
Do nihilists think they have no goals (aka terminal values) or do nihilists think they don't have goals about fulfilling others' goals or is it something else?
Utilitarianism is used as "the normative ethical theory that one ought to maximize the utility of the world".
Ok so would that be right to say this?: Utilitarianism is giving equal weight to everyone's utility function (including yours) in your "meta" utility function. Egoism means you don't consider others' utility function in your utility function.
And then there is everything in-between (meaning giving more weight to your utility function than to other's utility function in your "meta" utility function).
I would really like to see these questions in the survey:
For the questions:
- Give the time from your birth to your death in subjective years (so years where you are cryonically preserved don't count)
- Give the estimate where you are 50% sure it would be less than your answer and 50% sure it would be more than your answer)
The questions are:
- 1) How long do you think you will live?
- 2) If your only way to die was by really wanting to die, when do you think you would die...
- a) if you could control your aging process but the world would be otherwise unchanged?
- b) if an AGI optimizing your utility function would be created?
And maybe also this one:
- c) if your utility function would be maximized (regardless of actual physical laws in our universe)?
EDIT 1: I've removed this specification: where death = permanently not conscious; if you create a clone or a simulation that is not a direct upload, it doesn't count as 'still living'.
EDIT 2: I've added that one could control its aging process in 2a).
"Moral nihilism is the meta-ethical view that nothing is intrinsically moral or immoral." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_nihilism) Utility functions (aka morality) are (is) in the mind, not in Nature. That would probably be the answer of most LWers. Otherwise, you'll have to tell me what you mean by morality.
Is utilitarianism used as "maximizing happiness" or "maximizing utility". If it's "maximizing utility", well isn't that everyone's position? What differs is simply what counts as "utility".
Maybe taking online courses could be a solution: you would need to be less often on the road and you could (IMO) get a better and cheaper education.
Maybe taking online courses could be a solution: you would need to be less often on the road and you could (IMO) get a better and cheaper education.
That makes sense since the producers are openly saying they are looking for people that fit stereotypes.
Thank you for your answer. I will try not to post things that don't strongly relate to rationality in the future.
For the record, my reasoning was the following: There has been 5000 candidates so far. If one rationalist applies, let's say s/he has a probability of 1/5000 to be chosen. If s/he is chosen, s/he will be seen by probably millions of viewers. So in average, every application would reach something like 1000 viewers.
Could the -1 be justified so I can adjust my future articles? Is it because you think it's not a good idea, or because I don't explain my idea well enough, or simply because such topics shouldn't be post on LW (or something else)?
Also, should someone delete an article as soon as it gets say -5 karma, since it means it's probably not a good one, and therefore other people shouldn't pay attention to it?
Nice questions. Could you please explain me how "Matthew 26:39" is related to "Jesus' willingness to die for our sins"?
PRAYERS
How confident are you that prayers can work? Even if controlled for the placebo effect?
How often do prayers work for you?
How much time should one pray versus work? (for example, on an exam)
I improved the structure of the questions:
GOD
How confident are you that God exists?
Does an evidence for [---] (would be) an evidence against God? (How would evidence for [---] affect your confidence that God exists) How confident are you that [---] is true?
- the many-worlds interpretation
- aliens existence
- evolution of humans from non-living matter
- bad things happening
GOING TO PARADISE
How confident are you that you will go to paradise? How scare are you to go to Hell?
How confident are you that [---] have souls (and/or would go to paradise or hell)?
- advanced artificial intelligence of some sort
- extremely severely mentally handicapped humans
- a crionised human
For what minimum X are you at least 90% sure that someone will go to paradise if...
- someone, who is "otherwise" a very good person, is X% confident that God exists,
- someone that is (1-X)% chimp and X% human
If it we live in a multiverse, how confident are you that all "souls" from all universes go to (the same) paradise/hell? (if the same, it means you would encounter other versions of yourselves).
What set of memories do you think we bring with us in paradise (the ones we have before we die? all the ones we made in our life? etc.)
BEING IN PARADISE
How intelligent do you think intelligent humans and extremely severely mentally handicapped humans become in paradise?
How confident are you that there are fermions and bosons in paradise/hell? (if low: does that mean there is not concept of: temperature, light, sound, pressure? can time be measured?)
How confident are you that we cannot feel pain in paradise?
After 3^^^3 years in paradise, how much do you think we can remember?
How confident are you that one can commit suicide in paradise if one wants to?
If you could live for any amount of time in paradise, how would you want to live?
ADVANTAGES
What are the advantages to believe in God (beside going to paradise)? What are the disadvantages?
In the "counter-factual" world were God doesn't exist, would you want to believe in it?
ON EARTH
If you could live for any amount of time, how long would you want to live on Earth? (If more than 1 day, you could ask them why wouldn't you rather be in paradise?)
What do you consider as "playing God"? In what case do you think it is good to play God? How well do you think we can (possibly/physically) play God?
How confident are you that we are in a simulation?
How sad are you when someone near you dies? Why?
What would be different in the world (on Earth) if there was no God?
It would be nice if you could do an article on their answers.
EDIT: Read my first comment and not this post because I've improved the structure of the text.
Here are some questions:
How confident are you that God exists? (anytime they say 100%, you could ask them if they would bet all human "souls" against one carrot that God exists to be 'sure' that they really mean 100%)
If someone, who is "otherwise" a very good person, is X% confident that God exists, for what minimum X are you at least 75% sure that s/he will go to paradise?
How confident are you that we live in a many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics? If more than 0% you could ask: if it is true, how confident are you that all "souls" from all universes go to (the same) paradise/hell? (if the same, it means you would encounter other versions of yourselves).
Does an evidence for the many-worlds interpretation (would be) an evidence against God? Does an evidence for alien life (would be) an evidence against God?
How confident are you that humans evolved from non-living matter?
How confident are you that chimps have souls? If low you could ask: If we bio-engineer an animal that is X% chimp and (1-X)% human, for what X are you 90% confident that the animal would have a soul and go to paradise or hell?
How confident are you that extremely severely mentally handicapped people have souls? If high, how intelligent do you think they become in paradise?
How confident are you that we can create a conscious being in silico? If an AI was created tomorrow, how would that affect your confidence that God exists?
How confident are you that there are fermions and bosons in paradise/hell? (if low: does that mean there is not concept of: temperature, light, sound, pressure? can time be meaured?)
In the "counter-factual" world were God doesn't exist, would you want to believe in it?
What are the advantages to believe in God (beside going to paradise)? What are the disadvantages?
If you could live for any amount of time, how would you want to live? If you could live for any amount of time, how long would you want to live on Earth? If more than 1 day, you could ask them why wouldn't you rather be in paradise? How confident are you that you will go to paradise? How scare are you to go to Hell?
How confident are you that we cannot feel pain in paradise?
After 3^^^3 years in paradise, how much do you think we can remember?
How confident are you that one can commit suicide in paradise if one wants to?
What do you consider as "playing God"? In what case do you think it is good to play God? How well do you think we can (possibly/physically) play God?
How confident are you that we are in a simulation?
What set of memories do you think we bring with us in paradise (the ones we have before we die? all the ones we made in our life? etc.)
How confident are you that cryonised humans keep their soul?
How sad are you sad when someone near you dies? Why?
What would be different in the world if there was no God?
Thank you.
I'm a semifinalist for the MA365 mission (a one year simulation of Mars exploration). We now need to do a video to answer some questions such as "Why Mars? Why do you think we should go there?" (see my answer below). The Mars Society will chose 18 finalists that will be split in 3 teams. In august 2014, they (we?) will go to Devon Island during two weeks and they will pick the best team. This team of 6 will then do a simulation of Mars exploration during 365 days starting in July 2015. You can contribute to the project by giving money (in exchange for gifts) in the indiegogo campaign: this will help us to buy better equipment.
my answer to "Why Mars? Why do you think we should go there?" or as asked in the post "Why this project and not others?" (note: I would like to hear your answers too)
I think space exploration in general has a lot of benefits: it improves our understanding of the history of our solar system and it pushes us to develop new technologies that often become useful on Earth. I think the next step in space exploration is to send humans to Mars because it's probably the easiest and most interesting planet to explore in our solar system because it has some similarity with the Earth. I also think that sending humans to Mars will inspire more people to go study in science and technology, which will in turn improve humans' well being and life expectancy. Finally, I think that if we succeed to colonize Mars, it will be a good fallback position in case of an existential catastrophe happening on Earth.
I think the first manned mission to Mars will probably be in the next decade, so we need to prepare ourselves. For example, Inspiration Mars (www.inspirationmars.org) wants to send a couple to fly within 100 miles of Mars in 2018; Mars One (www.mars-one.com) wants to start sending humans to Mars in 2024 and let them there indefinitely. The USA, the Russian and the European space agencies are also planning manned missions to Mars relatively soon. So the research done by The Mars Society, such as this mission, will be really useful to all of these organisations.
A gene conveying a 3% fitness advantage, spreading through a population of 100,000, would require an average of 768 generations to reach universality in the gene pool.
Generations to fixation = 2 ln(N) / s = 2 ln(100000)/1.03 = 22.36 != 768
I'm confused.
If you're interested, I've done this document with all the best resources (IMO) that can be found about ASL.
Concerning an ASL/English dictionary, I know these two: Handspeak and ASL Jinkle.
I am doing a Youtube playlist of transhumanist songs (with a particular quote from each song). Since there's not a lot of these, I also put songs that are only somewhat transhumanist (frankly I'm shocked at the ratio of transhumanist songs to love songs). So do you have suggestions for songs that are somewhat related to transhumanism (and/or rationality) (not necessarily in English) please?
For example, here are the ones that I have put in the playlist so far:
Turn It Around by Tim McMorris
Have you ever looked outside and didn’t like what you see
Or am I the only one who sees the things we could be
If we made more effort, then I think you’d agree
That we could make the world a better place, a place that is free
Another one is Hiro by Soprano: a song about someone who's saying what he would do if he could travel back in time. (it’s in French but with English subtitles) (it's inspired from the TV show Heroes which I also recommend).
Tellement de choses que j’aurais voulu changer ou voulu vivre (So many things that I would change or live)
Tellement de choses que j’aurais voulu effacer ou revivre (So many things that I would erase or live again)
The classic Imagine by John Lennon
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…
The Future Soon by Jonathan Coulton
Well it's gonna be the future soon
And I won't always be this way
One that I saw recommended on LW: The Singularity by Dr. Steel (it's my favorite!)
Nanotechnology transcending biology
This is how the race is won
Another that I saw on LW: Singularity by The Lisps
You'd keep all the memories and feelings that you ever want,
And now you can commence your life as an uploaded extropian.
Singularity by Steve Aoki & Angger Dimas ft. My Name is Kay
We’re gonna live, we’ll never die
I am the very model of a singularitarian
I am a Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian
I am the very model of a Singularitarian
Sensing a freedom you've never known,
no limitation, only you can decide
The mutation is in our nature
My adrenaline feeds my desire
To become an immortal machine
E.T. by Katy Perry ft. Kanye West
You're from a whole other world
A different dimension
You open my eyes
And I'm ready to go
Lead me into the light
She told me never venture out among the asteroids, yet I did.
Thank you for the link.
What transhumanist and/or rationalist podcast/audiobook do you prefer beside hpmor which I just finished and really liked!!