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Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-10T16:27:52.962Z · score: -3 (5 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-10T16:15:23.145Z · score: -2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-10T15:51:23.730Z · score: -1 (3 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-10T15:35:48.912Z · score: -3 (3 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-10T15:05:35.541Z · score: -4 (4 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by reality_check on Welcome to Less Wrong! (July 2012) · 2012-10-10T13:00:18.248Z · score: -5 (5 votes) · LW · GW

I was hoping to enter into dialog, but obviously my ideas are not welcome. I'll just go finish the conversations here: http://monkeyminds.hubpages.com/hub/Critiquing-Less-Wrong

Comment by reality_check on Rationality: Appreciating Cognitive Algorithms · 2012-10-09T21:38:00.055Z · score: -5 (5 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-08T15:11:33.651Z · score: -7 (7 votes) · LW · GW

No Dave, I'm saying there is no superintelligence. If God herself cannot explain it, then She doesn't understand it!

Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-08T14:58:48.432Z · score: -5 (5 votes) · LW · GW

"This turns out not to be the case."

Well that certainly set the record straight! I suppose that you consider yourself an authority on the matter. Or, are you just accepting someone else's opinion (who you consider an authority)?

If Omega stopped and talked to me for a while, instead of just dropping off the boxes, I'll wager I can understand (perhaps after a learning curve) anything that he wishes to explain to me. If he can not, then he doesn't understand it himself.

Comment by reality_check on Rationality: Appreciating Cognitive Algorithms · 2012-10-08T14:25:48.844Z · score: -9 (9 votes) · LW · GW

truth=opinion

Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-08T14:07:52.184Z · score: -5 (5 votes) · LW · GW

When one accepts the assumption(s) of a system of logic, then one must necessarily follow the derivational logic tree to the built-in conclusion.

Reality could not care less about man's rules, or laws.

This one works for me. Authority: the power to determine, adjudicate, or otherwise settle issues or disputes; jurisdiction; the right to control, command, or determine.

Comment by reality_check on Skill: The Map is Not the Territory · 2012-10-08T13:55:49.865Z · score: -10 (8 votes) · LW · GW

Reality_Check: Unless one wants to risk going the way of Georg Cantor, Ludwig Boltzmann, Kurt Gödel, Alan Turing and others, I would lighten up on the philosophy and math approach to reality. These men all went insane and committed suicide pursuing infinities and other irrational ideas.

GWERN: Arguing from a few famous anecdotes? Not a good approach, especially since more systematic approaches show rates similar to what one would expect of the general population: http://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2011/07/disproofing-myth-that-many-early.html

Mental disease, it seems, is a part of the general human condition, and not a flaw of the "philosophy and math approach to reality...pursuing infinities and other irrational ideas".

Computational Complexity http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090215000458AA8VWDo

Reality_Check: Bill Gasarch picked persons from wikipedia's list of Logicians, selecting from between the years 1845 and 1912 (cantor and Turig's birthdays). He arrived at 5 out of 48 being a few axioms short of a complete set. That is a litttle over 10 percent of selected logicians are "insane."

Well, I'm not sure how systematic an approach this is, but point taken. One's occupation doen't necessarily lead to insanity, or suicide. I did a (very) little research myself by querying your and my friend, Google.

What is the percentage of mentally insane people in our population? About 1 percent of the general population is insane, but 20 percent of adults behind bars have mental health problems. ChaCha! http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-the-percentage-of-mentally-insane-people-in-our-population

What percent of the world population is insane? Estimated 26.2 percent of people ages 18 & older-about one in 4 adults-suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. http://www.chacha.com/question/what-percent-of-the-world-population-is-insane

The 5 Percent Doctrine about 5 percent of our population is and always will be totally crazy. I don’t mean mentally ill. According to the National Institute for Mental Health, 26 percent of American adults suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in any given year. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/opinion/09collins.html?_r=0

Mental Health and Illness - How Many People Are Mentally Ill? The Surgeon General's report estimated that 20% of the United States population was affected by mental disorders and that 15% use some type of mental health service every year. Community surveys estimate that as many as 30% of the adult population in the United States suffer from mental disorders.

Read more: Mental Health and Illness - How Many People Are Mentally Ill? - Disorders, January, Distress, and Survey http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/2996/Mental-Health-Illness-HOW-MANY-PEOPLE-ARE-MENTALLY-ILL.html#ixzz28r5djv9h

Mental Disorders in America

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older or about one in four adults suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.

Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 who suffer from a serious mental illness. In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada for ages 15-44. Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time. Nearly half (45 percent) of those with any mental disorder meet criteria for two or more disorders, with severity strongly related to comorbidity.

In the U.S., mental disorders are diagnosed based on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM-IV). http://www.thekimfoundation.org/html/about_mental_ill/statistics.html

1 in 5 Americans Suffers From Mental Illness http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/19/1-in-5-americans-suffer-from-mental-illness/

5% totally crazy 26% mental disorder 6% serious mental illness

Reality_Check: So if we consider the selected logicians as totally crazy, or having a serious mental disorder, then they are a greater percentage than the general population. If we consider them as just having a mental disorder, then they are doing pretty good.

Comment by reality_check on Firewalling the Optimal from the Rational · 2012-10-08T13:41:36.262Z · score: -5 (9 votes) · LW · GW

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Comment by reality_check on Newcomb's Problem and Regret of Rationality · 2012-10-07T19:32:25.695Z · score: -6 (6 votes) · LW · GW

Sorry, I can't accept your assumption of a superintelligence, that is irrational. What can be above intelligence? Although he has sensory limitations, man's ability to reason, think critically and rationally is without limit.