Solenoid_Entity's Shortform
post by Solenoid_Entity · 2023-05-24T13:06:05.823Z · LW · GW · 8 commentsContents
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comment by Solenoid_Entity · 2023-05-24T13:06:06.030Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Double-attrition perfectionism and the violin
An interesting thing about violin is that the learning process seems nearly designed to produce 'tortured perfectionists' as its output.
The first decade of learning operates as a two-pronged selection process that attrits students at different times in their learning journey, requiring perfectionism at some times and tolerance at others.
You could be boring and argue that it always requires both attention to detail and tolerance of imperfection, simultaneously. You could also argue that there's a fractal, scale invariant pattern of striving for perfection and then tolerating failure. You're boring and probably right, but I think there's actually a common, macro structure to that decade, that goes 'tolerance-perfectionism-tolerance-perfectionism.'
Specifically:
- When you first start, you need to tolerate being terrible, especially in the first months, but really for several years. (Grade 1- Grade ~3)
- You suck, it's horribly offensive to your ears and everyone else's too. You must simply ignore how bad you sound and force your body to learn the required movements.
- Mistakes on violin are brutal, they almost hurt to hear.
- Then for several more years you must suddenly become intolerant of these same deficiencies. (Grade ~3 to Grade ~6)
- You must obsessively eliminate scratches and squawks, develop clear and even tone. Polish your 'beginner' skills.
- You must learn to play in tune, which requires intensive practice and polishing.
- Then for several more years you must again stop worrying about sounding bad and start 'pushing the envelope' and playing more expressively. (Grade ~6 - Grade ~8)
- Developing exciting and varied sounds means a lot of nasty failures that sound awful and make people wince and/or bang walls.
- Then for several more years, you have to again polish and refine this expressiveness. (Associate diploma, Bachelor of Music.)
- You have to learn to platy really in tune.
- Like really really in tune.
- Like unless you're lucky you probably lack the pitch resolution in your hearing to even notice the difference.
- Like
- More in tune than a well-tuned piano. Not strictly 'Just Intonation' but a compromise intonation system that allows the series of perfect 5ths G, D, A and E to remain fixed in all keys, but other notes to fall perfectly in tune with each other around these fixed points.
- You're supposed to learn this system intuitively by just playing scales as in-tune as you can, often playing two notes at the same time (thirds, sixths, octaves, 11ths).
- These changes correspond to fractions of a millimeter difference in position on the string.
- Practice sessions now involve hours of obsessive, tiny intonation adjustments.
The result is that if someone plays violin at a professional level, they either have a very healthy relationship with their perfectionism and can adapt it to the needs of the moment (hahahahhhahahah), or they are a deeply disturbed individual who is somehow either able to pretend not to hate their playing for years, or able to force themselves to care about details that don't bother them in the slightest.
This is as far as I've gone (I'm on the final step, trying to reach professional level). If you go further and become a soloist, I don't know what that implies about your psychology. Soloists seem normal and occasionally seem well-adjusted, but perhaps we should learn to fear them.
Replies from: Dagon, drossbucket↑ comment by Dagon · 2023-05-24T18:46:57.078Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Interesting observation. It matches my impression of MANY skills, from software development to carpentry - the seeking of perfection on many dimensions, along with the tolerance (and SEEKING) of variance and uniqueness in pursuit of a somewhat illegible goal.
↑ comment by drossbucket · 2023-08-02T18:09:01.199Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I keep thinking about this post! I've been trying to get back into playing violin on and off, and it does a good job of describing why I've found that so hard. I stopped early on in your fourth stage, and my ear is way ahead of my ability to play anything it actually wants to listen to.
I guess once I join an orchestra I'll enjoy that enough to get some momentum, but solo playing is pretty unrewarding right now.
Replies from: Solenoid_Entity↑ comment by Solenoid_Entity · 2023-08-09T05:04:51.189Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Big +1 to playing with others, especially others around the same level or slightly better or worse.
Motivation is one thing, but it's also just... healthier. One's musical 'practice' can't be totally inward-looking, that's when perfectionism starts to bite. Orchestra forces you to compromise and actually learn and perform music, gets you out of the practice room, and generally turbocharges your learning by exposing you to a more varied set of demands on your playing and musicality.
Super hard mode is forming a string quartet with others, since your playing is super exposed and it forces you to stay in time and balance your sound with others.
comment by Solenoid_Entity · 2024-12-01T14:29:55.489Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Under MWI of QM, anthropics gets weird.
In a single universe interpretation, we can posit biogenesis is rare, but we do know it happened at least once in ~two trillion galaxies worth of stars in ~13 billion years.
In MWI it could be even rarer - with unlimited branches for wild coincidences of chemistry to occur, we’re necessarily living in a branch where such did occur. Allow for argument’s sake that biogenesis is so rare that branches where life is found are tiny in measure. We find ourselves in such a branch, so anthropics and branching kind of gives us the first miracle for free. But given we’re here, the chance it happened here independently TWICE is vanishingly small again.
If biogenesis is so rare it occurs in a tiny minority of branches only, then in almost all branches where it does occur, it only occurs once.
If I haven’t badly misunderstood something, I think if we accept MWI then it seems much more plausible that we are the only life in the universe.
Replies from: Vladimir_Nesov, Dagon, rhollerith_dot_com↑ comment by Vladimir_Nesov · 2024-12-01T20:05:55.500Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
In Transparent Newcomb's Problem, your decision determines whether you existed when you were making the decision. It's not valid to conclude that you exist merely from subjective observation of your own existence, because such observation can take place within counterfactuals, and you wouldn't be able to tell that you are within a counterfactual or actuality other than by reasoning about (or determining) your situation's actuality status. Like math, existence can't be perceived by looking at rocks.
In a single universe interpretation, we can posit biogenesis is rare, but we do know it happened at least once in ~two trillion galaxies worth of stars in ~13 billion years.
So this already doesn't follow, your conclusion is true, but doesn't require MWI. Even without MWI, observing our own existence doesn't tell us anything about the probability of biogenesis (and subsequent development of generally intelligent life).
↑ comment by Dagon · 2024-12-01T18:33:51.179Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Anthropics start out weird.
Trying to reason from a single datapoint out of an unknown distribution is always going to be low-information and low-predictive-power. MWI expands the scope of the unknown distribution (or does it? It all adds up to normal, right?), but doesn't change the underlying unknowns.
↑ comment by RHollerith (rhollerith_dot_com) · 2024-12-01T15:38:41.020Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I disagree. I think the fact that our reality branches a la Everett has no bearing on our probability of biogensis.
Consider a second biogenesis that happened recently enough and far away enough that light (i.e., information, causal influence) has not had enough time to travel from it to us. We know such regions of spacetime "recent enough and far away enough" exist and in principle could host life, but since we cannot observe a sign of life or a sign of lack of life from them, they are not relevant to our probability of biogenesis whereas by your logic, they are relevant.