Update on establishment of Cambridge’s Centre for Study of Existential Risk
post by Sean_o_h · 2013-08-12T16:11:23.263Z · LW · GW · Legacy · 15 commentsContents
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comment by Larks · 2013-08-13T00:43:31.246Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
This is excellent news. I look forward to the invigorating effects of competition between the greatest university in the world and another university.
Replies from: AlexMennen↑ comment by AlexMennen · 2013-08-13T19:43:34.615Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
You sound like you're trying to be sarcastic, but I don't actually know what you're trying to say.
Replies from: John_Maxwell_IV, Larkscomment by Pablo (Pablo_Stafforini) · 2013-08-12T18:21:24.795Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Currently this post has "125% positive" votes. I'm happy to see so much interest in x-risk reduction!
Replies from: AlexMennen↑ comment by AlexMennen · 2013-08-13T19:44:32.740Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Earlier it was acting like it had -1 downvote. It says 100% positive now. Does anyone know whether the problem got fixed, or if someone just downvoted it?
comment by Ben Pace (Benito) · 2013-08-12T23:16:34.339Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
A video lecture series? That would be great to have on YouTube.
Replies from: RomeoStevens↑ comment by RomeoStevens · 2013-08-13T03:44:46.862Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
And would provide awesome source material for an RSA animate style effort.
Replies from: Sean_o_h↑ comment by Sean_o_h · 2013-08-13T09:26:23.644Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
We'll make sure to get high-quality recordings.
In the meantime, the FHI's youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/FHIOxford/videos) may be of interest (talks from Tegmark, Bostrom, Armstrong, Sandberg, Yudkowsky, Omohundro, plus a recent animation of Bostrom's "Fable of the Dragon Tyrant").
Replies from: RomeoStevens↑ comment by RomeoStevens · 2013-08-13T10:15:14.866Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
The Fable of the Dragon Tyrant cartoon did make it to reddit with moderate upvotes IIRC.
comment by AlexMennen · 2014-01-02T03:43:50.040Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
We submitted our first grant application in January to the European Research Council – an ambitious project to create “A New Science of Existential Risk” that, if successful, would provide enough funding for CSER’s first research programme - a sizeable programme that will run for five years. We’ve been successful in the first and second rounds, and we will hear a final round decision at the end of the year.
How'd it go?
Replies from: Sean_o_h↑ comment by Sean_o_h · 2014-01-02T10:47:15.334Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Unfortunately it got to a very late stage but was not funded. While reviewers ranked it very highly, it was always a long shot - we were asking for a lot of money for what is not a "traditional" academic discipline. However, we think that there are several foundations that might be inclined to support the type of research programme proposed - we aim to submit proposals to these early this year.
(Note: we had the same result with an Arts and Humanities Research Counciul grant submitted this fall - highly-ranked but ultimately unsuccessful. Also should be good material for further applications).
comment by turchin · 2013-08-20T16:17:33.081Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
It is a little bit strange that organizers could not donate at least some money to the project or invest their time in it as volonteers. In result we see more fighting for funds than actual x-risks resistance. The same problem plagues other x-risk organizations, most of all Lifeboat foundation. By the way most notable work on x-risks was done without any visable funding, I mean articles of Bostrom and Yudkowsky.
Replies from: Sean_o_h↑ comment by Sean_o_h · 2013-08-21T12:33:32.074Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
The organisers certainly are doing so. However, it's easy to underestimate the sheer amount of work involved in setting up a centre. Huw and Martin have been putting a lot of time into contacting academic advisors, making policy connections, liaising with Cambridge University and the relevant centres within Cambridge, meeting with representatives from various funding bodies, writing funding applications, and doing media and public outreach. Jaan has provided seed funding, is also making relevant connections and doing media outreach, and has been helping with website design.
Regarding money: Martin and Huw don't possess the kind of wealth to fund a whole research centre, and Jaan in addition to his CSER funding is funding MIRI, FHI and other organisations. Furthermore, an organisation getting its funds from outside sources, particularly respected academic funding bodies, probably looks more reputable than one that is mainly funded by its own organisers. Raising funds is a big part of setting up any new research centre, Xrisk or otherwise.
Regarding time: Jaan helping with the website is generous, but is not the best use of his time, given his earning and influence power - so I'm going to be minimising how much he's doing that. Martin and Huw manning the general email account and doing the time-consuming legwork involved in writing grant applications and dealing with bureaucracy is not the best use of their time, given their positions of influence. Better to have someone like me (and others like me) doing that, and for them to be making the connections that I can't.
There's just a lot of legwork to be done. The founders aren't in a position to quit their other positions and responsibilities to devote themselves to that legwork, and even if they were it wouldn't represent the best use of their time - they would lose valuable influence and earning potential.
"By the way most notable work on x-risks was done without any visable funding, I mean articles of Bostrom and Yudkowsky." I can't speak for Yudkowsky, but there certainly was visible (if flexible) funding from the Oxford Martin School for Bostrom's work on existential risk.