The True Essence of Honesty: How to Lie and Get Away With Itpost by Bound_up · 2017-12-30T21:39:21.524Z · score: 12 (4 votes) · LW · GW · 2 comments
"Well, you see, what I meant by that, see, is that I would do all in my power to ensure the bill would pass through Congress by being voted on, not that I would necessarily vote for it myself."
"What I meant by that..."
Is true honesty to speak the truth? Then were all ancient people despicable liars, as they were incapable of speaking the truth about the world, about which they were ignorant?
Well, then, is honesty to speak the truth as best you know it? So, the above politician, and those like them, are honest, because "what they meant" was some true statement?
Hmm...who's to say if you did "speak the truth as best you know it"? Is it based on how you privately intended the statement to be understood? Or is it based on how the majority interpret your statement? Or how the smartest interpret it? The people nearest to you? Or is it based on how you expected some particular group to interpret it?
This, I think is the real key: Honesty is to try and make your audience hear the truth.
Less important is whether or not you speak the truth. Who cares what you're saying; are you talking to yourself? The important thing is what they're hearing. So, shall we boil you up and throw you out the window if, despite your best efforts, others hear something you didn't mean for them to hear?
No, I think all we can ask is that you try your best to make them hear the truth, as best as you understand it. The honest person is this: the one who speaks words which they expect to make other people form true beliefs about the world.
You can fail to fulfill this principle in a number of ways:
- You can incorrectly guess at how they'll interpret this statement. Then, you are incompetent, unskilled in truth-telling (causing-truth-to-be-heard-ing, better said, maybe (...maybe not)). People cannot trust the best interpretations of your sayings to necessarily be true, but they can trust that some (usually) reasonable interpretation thereof be true. They can also trust that, if you become more skilled over time, the best interpretations of your sayings will begin to be true ones.
- Or, you can correctly guess how others will interpret your statement, and say something you know will make people form false beliefs, buuut which could also be interpreted in a way that could lead to true beliefs, the classic "Well, what I meant was..." . Then, you are dishonest, but...at least you're a weasel about it. For one, you're not incompetent, and on the other hand, you've at least eschewed pure fabrication. People can't rely on the best interpretations of your words to be true, but, as in the former case of the incompetent, they can trust that one of the reasonable interpretations of your sayings will be true. On the other hand, as you become more skilled, they will not trust that your statements will become truer, rather, the truth in them may become hidden all the deeper. So, they should treat your words as clues to the truth, not truth itself.
- Or, you can go all out and say things which, by any interpretation, lead people to form false beliefs. Your words are useless; you cannot be trusted in any sense. There are no "Well, what I meant was..."'s here; you'd be scorned and made a hiss and a byword if you even tried to pretend otherwise.
I hope this idea of honesty makes sense. You cannot claim honesty on the grounds that what you said "was" true if you knew from the beginning that saying this "true" statement would make people form false beliefs about the world! If it were otherwise, you could purposefully make others believe falsehoods, and then call it "honest" because you had some other private, personal interpretation of your statement that you knew nobody would infer. If this is at all confusing still, then let's just taboo "honesty" for a second. Trying to make people believe falsehoods is bad. The fact that the wording you used to deceive people could also be interpreted in some other true way? Why on earth would that matter? You deceived people! On purpose! Call it honesty or not, but this is clearly a bad behavior.
You can only claim honesty if you try to make people believe the truth.
Ah, but now the great trick. Cast your mind out, imagine your message was going to be interpreted by millions of people, dozens of subcultures...in order to be honest, your message must be designed to make them believe true things.
Wait...make who believe true things? People are different, subcultures are different. A wording which will predictably make, for example, some nerds understand a true thing about the world may simultaneously be a wording which will predictably make some, for example, non-nerdy, blue-collar Latinos believe false things about the world...If you use that wording, and know that both subcultures will hear you...you know one will form true beliefs, the other false...were you honest or not?
Forget if you were "honest" or not; what are you supposed to do? It is literally impossible to say something to large groups of people without knowing that you're going to make some of them form false beliefs (then those people will call you a liar). There will be several interpretations of your statements, and some will lead people to believe falsehoods.
It's my impression that a lot of "lying" in politics comes down to:
- Targeting one group, and just accepting that you'll be deceiving another group. Not on purpose, but because you know the two groups will interpret your words differently.
- Generally targeting political people, not nerds. What sounds like a straightforward lie to a nerd may very well cause zero false beliefs in normal people, because of how they interpret things differently. There's a certain real sense in which these statements can be said to be "true", since they cause no false beliefs, and were expected not to. Literally any set of words could be "true" if the audience is weird enough at interpreting things. "Rabbits are mythical flying creatures" could be true according to some weird people's interpretation, and saying it would be honest if you were talking to those weird people!
- Here's a key one, not exactly a lie, though. You can try to work around the interpretation problem by saying things bereft of content. Hey, you can't lie if you're not saying anything (taps temple). Fluff and nonsense is safe in a way that I suddenly find very understandable.
Once you realize it is literally impossible to be honest in a certain very meaningful sense, that is, that you just can't say something that will mostly likely cause only true beliefs, you start to think about the best hand you can play with the poor cards you've been dealt. And once you come up with a few plausible closest-thing-to-solutions, you might suddenly recognize where you've seen those solutions implemented before.
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