[SEQ RERUN] Every Cause Wants To Be A Cult
post by MinibearRex · 2011-11-21T05:17:33.159Z · LW · GW · Legacy · 7 commentsContents
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Today's post, Every Cause Wants To Be A Cult was originally published on 12 December 2007. A summary (taken from the LW wiki):
Simply having a good idea at the center of a group of people is not enough to prevent that group from becoming a cult. As long as the idea's adherents are human, they will be vulnerable to the flaws in reasoning that cause cults. Simply basing a group around the idea of being rational is not enough. You have to actually put in the work to oppose the slide into cultishness.
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comment by Lapsed_Lurker · 2011-11-21T10:38:45.783Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
vulnerable to the flaws in reasoning that prevent cults.
Shouldn't 'prevent' be 'cause'?
I'd edit the wiki, but don't have login info on my mobile.
Replies from: MinibearRex↑ comment by MinibearRex · 2011-11-21T16:07:49.440Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I really need to sleep more.
I've edited the post, but I'm currently unable to access the wiki, because someone keeps spamming the wiki from my university, and the IP gets autoblocked. Can someone else make that edit?
Replies from: arundelo, arundelo↑ comment by arundelo · 2011-11-21T16:53:10.687Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Gwern unblocked me and I made the correction.
Replies from: MinibearRex↑ comment by MinibearRex · 2011-11-21T23:20:14.103Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Thanks. Upvoted.
comment by CriticalSteel · 2011-11-22T00:26:55.806Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
"As long as the idea's adherents are human, they will be vulnerable to the flaws in reasoning that cause cults." I could say many things here, but hear me out... this one is the most important:
That quote is a circular argument fallacy. It goes: 'Humans cause cults so if you have humans in your group they will cause a cult'
It ignores the idea that the humans MAY not cause a cult. I agree where it says: "Simply basing a group around the idea of being rational is not enough."
But i see that by following critical thinking criteria of credibility and scientific and debating procedure. Would render the group safely filling the criteria of being 'rational'.
Replies from: Raemon↑ comment by Raemon · 2011-11-22T01:45:23.556Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I don't think it's a rigorous statement, but I don't think the intended line of reasoning was "human beings cause cults, ergo all human begins cause cults." The implied reasoning (in my mind anyway) was "If you look at selection pressures within groups (in general) and knowledge of human psychology, you will see that most humans, when grouped together around a cause, have a tendency towards cultishness, and that means that unless you're specifically guarding against it, your group will probably become increasingly cultish over time."