[LINK] Holden Karnofsky, GiveWell: Sequence Thinking vs. Cluster Thinking

post by David_Gerard · 2014-06-11T17:08:13.813Z · LW · GW · Legacy · 5 comments

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http://blog.givewell.org/2014/06/10/sequence-thinking-vs-cluster-thinking/

A long post, here's the key thesis:

I believe our approach is justified, and in order to explain why – consistent with the project of laying out the basic worldview and epistemology behind our research – I find myself continually returning to the distinction between what I call “sequence thinking” and “cluster thinking.” Very briefly (more elaboration below),

A key difference with “sequence thinking” is the handling of certainty/robustness (by which I mean the opposite of Knightian uncertainty) associated with each perspective. Perspectives associated with high uncertainty are in some sense “sandboxed” in cluster thinking: they are stopped from carrying strong weight in the final decision, even when such perspectives involve extreme claims (e.g., a low-certainty argument that “animal welfare is 100,000x as promising a cause as global poverty” receives no more weight than if it were an argument that “animal welfare is 10x as promising a cause as global poverty”).

Finally, cluster thinking is often (though not necessarily) associated with what I call “regression to normality”: the stranger and more unusual the action-relevant implications of a perspective, the higher the bar for taking it seriously (“extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”).

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comment by VAuroch · 2014-06-12T17:24:53.320Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I'm skeptical of any process where, as appears to be the case here, calculating expected values is demoted to a weak tiebreaker. His description implies (though not explicitly) that expected values are only considered heavily in their calculations when comparing within a domain.

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comment by torekp · 2014-06-14T01:39:22.878Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I've only breezed through Holden Karnofsky's full article, but the demotion of calculated expected values only seems to apply where Knightian uncertainty is considerable.

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comment by VAuroch · 2014-06-15T06:38:26.922Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That's his assertion but his examples don't really seem to support it. Hence my skepticism.

comment by Peter Wildeford (peter_hurford) · 2014-06-13T04:25:25.385Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Cluster thinking vs. Pascal's mugger. Thoughts?

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comment by [deleted] · 2014-06-13T06:14:44.161Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Depends on your clusters...