What do people colloquially mean by deep breathing? Slow, large, or diaphragmatic?

post by VipulNaik · 2024-01-17T18:01:06.721Z · LW · GW · 2 comments

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  Deep as in slow (low number of breaths per minute)
  Deep as in large (high breath volume)
  Deep as in diaphragmatic
  All three?
  Are the meanings in conflict?
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    8 Charlie Steiner
    6 DanielFilan
    4 FireStormOOO
    3 Shankar Sivarajan
    3 Haiku
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Some version of the idea of "relax, take a deep breath" is common across cultures. But what does the "deep" in "deep breath" mean to people? I've come across three plausible interpretations, and I'm curious what people colloquially mean (I suspect it's a mix or conflation of the meanings).

Deep as in slow (low number of breaths per minute)

One interpretation of "deep" is "slow", from the idea that "going deep" into something takes time. So, deep breathing just means slow breathing. This is particularly relevant to somebody who's doing a lot of breaths per minute: "relax, take a deep breath" means "slow down."

Deep as in large (high breath volume)

Another interpretation I've seen of "deep" is "large" -- take a lot of good air in, and expel all the bad air out. Get a fresh start by cleansing the bad air from inside you.

The Johns Hopkins page on hyperventilation uses the term "deep breathing" (in a critical fashion) equating it to rapid, large breaths.

Deep as in diaphragmatic

Here, the term "deep" seems to be referring to the location of the trigger for breathing (the diaphragm is deeper down/inside in the body compared to the upper chest?).

This is the most scientifically "correct" definition of deep breathing; see for instance Wikipedia or Harvard Health Publishing.

All three?

See this WebMD article that seems to combine all three meanings: slow, large, and diaphragmatic. A lot of breathing instruction and direction I see in popular culture does seem to combine all three elements when using the term "deep breathing".

Are the meanings in conflict?

Generally speaking, diaphragmatic breathing is likely to be slower, and slower breathing is likely to be diaphragmatic, so those meaning are not in conflict, though they still mean different things.

However, the relationship between breath rate and breath volume is very unclear, with any of the 2 X 2 combinations possible.

In particular, it's very much possible to take breaths that are "shallow" in terms of breath volume, while being slow and diaphragmatic, and in fact the whole idea of "reduced breathing" (as seen in things like the Buteyko method) is to try to reduce total breathing volume per unit time by doing some combination of slow breathing (reducing the rate of breathing) and "shallow" breathing (in the sense of reduced breathing volume). In this viewpoint, then, the "slow" part is good but the "large" part is bad in a way that cancels out the slow part. So the ideal is "slow, small"; both "fast, small" and "slow, large" are worse (as they mean more breathing volume per minute), and "fast, large" is the worst (hyperventilation at its worst.

The 2 X 2 from a Buteyko-style reduced breathing perspective (which I believe to approximately match my scientific understanding so far, though I'm still learning):

slow fast
small best mid
large mid worst

On the other hand, if your theory of breathing is the colloquial one where you're trying to "cleanse" yourself as much as possible with each breath, your 2 X 2 would look like this:

slow fast
small mid worst
large best mid

So I'm curious how people interpret the term "deep breathing" and how they couple or decouple different potential interpretations!

Thanks to Issa Rice for some helpful discussions that led me to this post. Issa did not review the post.

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answer by Charlie Steiner · 2024-01-17T19:42:51.896Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

For "he walked out into the sunshine and took a deep breath," the connotation I get is large, and often inhaled-quickly-but-then-held-for-a-beat.

For "calm down and take a deep breath," the connotation I get is slow and larger-than-automatic. No particular association with "cleansing," more like "asserting conscious control over your body."

answer by DanielFilan · 2024-01-17T20:19:45.390Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I mean "large and slow", with an assumption that using the diaphragm will help with the size.

comment by Viliam · 2024-01-19T09:02:30.816Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Probably "slow" is the goal, "large" is how to achieve it, and "diaphragmatic" is how to do large.

Just guessing here.

answer by FireStormOOO · 2024-01-18T02:01:24.757Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I've always taken that as hold average volumetric flow rate constant or slightly reduce, reduce the rate at which breaths are taken significantly, breath deeper (more air at once) to compensate.

The use of the phrase "deep breath and hold" is also consistent with max lung volume == deep breath.

answer by Shankar Sivarajan · 2024-01-17T23:59:40.345Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I take it to mean pretty much "NOT  hyperventilation." I think that Johns Hopkins article is being deliberately perverse  in considering them synonyms.

answer by Haiku · 2024-01-17T23:29:58.030Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I've been instructed by my therapist on breathing techniques for anxiety reduction. He used "deep breathing" and "belly breathing" as synonyms for diaphragmatic breathing.

I have (and I think my therapist has) also used "deep breathing" to refer to the breathing exercises that use diaphragmatic breathing as a component. I think that's shorthand/synecdoche.

(Edit) I should add, as well, that slow, large, and diaphragmatic are all three important in those breathing exercises.

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comment by riceissa · 2024-02-01T04:54:59.610Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I haven't verified the correctness of what this person is saying, but this Reddit comment seems relevant:

Most yoga breathing techniques have been completely misinterpreted from the ancient texts, and incorrectly teach people to breath larger amounts of air, when true deep breathing (deep as in from the diaphragm) is very still and almost imperceptible at rest. Buteyko teaches how to reset the part of the brain that controls autonomic breathing back to this very gentle still breath. Lau Tzu said 'the perfect man breathes as if he is not breathing' . The things that throw out the breathing pattern/volume (and in turn the whole body's biochemistry) are stress and diet, and environmental toxins mostly, but once this happens its hard to reset the breath back to normal without a correct breath practice. And most yogic breathing as taught in the west is the sadly exact opposite of what is needed.