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Comment by felix-lucas on [deleted post] 2022-11-28T08:21:25.073Z

This is a well thought-out post with many citations and you've addressed a lot of valid points.

There are, however, a few fatal issues that really undermine the long-term viability of this kind of company.

To begin with, the fact that there are so few successful socialist firms is a really big deal that you can't simply hand-wave away. Yes, there might be a handful (dozen?) of co-op firms in the OECD that we can say are moderately 'successful' - but they are certainly the exception rather than the rule. If co-ops have all the advantages you clearly listed, then they will be the dominant form of enterprise.  But they're not. In no particular order:

Co-ops are quite incompatible with firm mobility. Somebody who has just joined the firm does not have the same ability to add-value, nor should they be afforded the same 'voting' right as a more experienced veteran. Very quickly, using any kind of practical measure, you can see that firm mobility and co-op equity quickly breaks down.

Funding becomes the next obvious point. At some point, all companies must raise funds. They have two choices: (1) Debt or (2) Equity. Many firms are capital intensive and simply will never be able to raise the required funds from their own workers to achieve growth. Therefore, they can either raise debt - which does not dilute the voting rights - or raise equity from external parties - which does. But it's important to note that even under equity, this doesn't really impact the day-to-day function of a business. Sure, shareholders will elect the board of directors and that can influence the broad direction of a company - but rarely does this deviate from "achieve as much profit as possible". And if it does, then the company is unlikely to survive anyway.

But the fact that workers don't sink their entire savings into their company's shares (most people are employed by private companies) also demonstrate that most people don't really care about ownership of the company they work for. And why would they? They want to maximise their retirement savings. Being diversified makes sense. You can't be diversified if you've sunk all your money into the company you work for. And what happens if you want to move company?

To a certain extent, all firms are socialist - either implicitly of explicitly. Any publicly listed company can, and does have stock ownership by employees. Many privately listed companies are structured as partnerships (eg: any professional services firms). However, any business in the 21st century will be capital intensive in a manner which is simply beyond the ability. But regardless - the majority of decisions are made by groups, committees, panels of employees at similar ranks. CEO's rarely make decisions in a vaccuum - they make decisions with their c-level executives and boards of directors because they have a comparable level of competence and preparedeness.

The problem is when minimum-wage workers insist on having the same 'voting' right or decision-making capability as a senior person who is far more competent. If this was a superior way to run a firm, it would already be the norm. The fact that it's not is demonstrative that business decisions require competence and firms hire and promote to achieve this level of competence.

It's entirely possible that there is some sort of co-op model out there that is genuine superior to traditional firms. I would like to see it in action before going down the path of trying to implement government incentives to achieve something that we're not even sure is a good idea (and might actually destroy wealth of freedom of employees to move between jobs, or be hired into jobs they like).

It would be good of you as well to summarise the risks or genuine downsides of worker-owned co-ops. Mobility, personal wealth planning, firm decision-making, alignment of incentives to performance are very likely to be impacted.