Looking for information on cryonics

Nitpicks are the difference between "quite good" and "perfect." I strive for the latter. ;)

I've heard of a U-Haul being used. It's not as crazy as it sounds -- you need something that can be obtained at a moment's notice to get you to the airport or straight to the facility, and U-Hauls are extremely easy to get and inexpensive. For air travel I think there's a kind of metal casket used for shipping dead bodies, and what they do is fill it with ice and fiberglass insulation.

By the time they are being shipped, the patient should already be near zero degrees C. Either blood washout or immersion in an ice bath with CPS would be used to cool them. Washout is a more complex surgical procedure so it is harder to train for and there is more that can go wrong in an emergency situation. Ice bath cooling is simpler, but the cooling rate (even using a thumper and a squid) is worse, since the heat has to get through the skin.

Good question, I have to research that.

"when your dead does not like the money can be used anyway"

What about donating the money to help others?

Have you tried using voice recognition software like Dragon NaturallySpeaking to more accurately express your thoughts in text?

Is there some reason you cannot seem to spell? It makes communicating difficult.

Freezing things makes water expand and burst the fragile parts of your brain.

Freezing canard: proof you have not read the cryonics literature. Instant downvote.

I was going to say "Come on LW! Obvious troll is obvious." but then I remembered this recent post...

This person appears to take pleasure in being downvoted consdering how much it is happening. Moreover, they aren't curious as to what norms they're violating to receive so much downvoting indicating some awareness. Their username is automatically controversial, but it can't even be a plausibly effective advocacy account for 9/11 conspiracy beliefs because then they would be polite the other rhetorical dimensions, so as to appear likable and be more effective at persuasion.

Admittedly, many of the beliefs they express are somewhat common, but they express too many of them too densely and with too much half-accurate background knowledge for it to be plausible. If you look at their other comments you'll see them on a wide variety of topics, all of them dumb. Generally stupidity goes with a lack of intellectual passion in weird areas, which displays itself as ignorance and a tendency towards silence. Plus, 911truther is responding line-by-line to too many responses - there's no sense of measured consideration or update delay, just the glee of someone who is being argued with by people who don't realize that in doing so they are feeding a troll.

So a kind of interesting question here is who is behind the troll account? (It is a pretty good job if you stop and think about it. I mean... who trolls on the subject of genetic algorithms with this much plausibility?)

But a more educational question is why are there so many responses, when we could have just downvoted to -10 and had one or two responses providing epistemic warnings to readers who might not understand, and then moved on? Is it the pleasure of scoring points on someone who is wrong? Is it a mistaken presumption of good faith because so many on LW write in good faith? I'm serious here. I'm honestly interested in LW's radar for trolling. Troll radar seems like an important epistemic skill that many of us lack, and I think there's something interesting in this lack.

there is no evidence of it ever being done successfully.

There is evidence that cryonics preserves brain structure to some extent, which, coupled with the fact that people are brains, constitutes Bayesian evidence that cryonics suspensions performed up to this point were successful (that is, information-theoretic death didn't happen). What you require as evidence in this case might be a clear-cut demonstration of a cryonics patient getting revived. However, if we already knew how to revive people we wouldn't bother with cryosuspension in the first place. You can't, at this point in time, reasonably expect that kind of evidence, even if cryonics works perfectly.

Freezing things makes water expand and burst the fragile parts of your brain.

Correctly performed cryosuspension involves vitrification instead of freezing.

There is practically no chance cyonics can work, there is no evidence of it ever being done successfully

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oocyte_cryopreservation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_frog

http://www.alcor.org/cryomyths.html

You are self-identifying as a 9/11 "truther", which is signalling to us that you are a crank with a persecution complex. The fact that you subsequently verified delusions of persecution is just digging yourself into a deeper hole.

I have read the arguments against cryonics on RationalWiki and I know that it is not accepted in mainstream. I am thus not interested in arguments that do not go further than "It won't work, no way!"

Cells are routinely frozen and thawed in labs doing cell culture. Tissue is a lot harder, but if you use a different medium (routine during cryopreservation) you can probably preserve even microscopic structures such as synapses.

There are a bunch of papers debunking that here. Scroll down past the names (although you may be tempted to pay attention to some of them).

This shows the difference between the purely "skeptic" mentality versus the mentality of an inventive problem solver.

"There is practically no chance cyonics [sic] can work" really means "There is practically no chance cryonics can work" given the way cryonics organizations currently perform their suspensions, a way of framing the problem which I find worth discussing, because I think it comes closer to the truth and doesn't discourage exploring new approaches to the problem.

While I consider this an unrealistic fantasy so far, I'd like to think that a couple of bright & energetic college students somewhere with aspirations of becoming the next Steve Wozniak, Sergey Brin or Bill Gates will discover cryonics, notice that the field has stayed relatively neglected and underdeveloped so far, and decide to go into it to revolutionize the technology. In the meantime that leaves us cryonicists with the burden of trying to nudge the kludge into something closer to feasibility.