You should consider applying to PhDs (soon!)

post by bilalchughtai (beelal) · 2024-11-29T20:33:12.462Z · LW · GW · 2 comments

Contents

  Applying to PhD programs might, in expectation, be worth your time. 
  What is the basic case for a PhD?
  Why might I want to apply even if I'm confident a PhD is not my current favourite choice?
  In what cases might applying not be a good idea?
  Convinced? Here is a step by step guide to applying. 
  A personal anecdote. 
  Resources
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TLDR: In this post, I argue that if you are a junior AI safety researcher, you should consider applying to PhD programs in ML soon, especially if you have recently participated in an AI safety upskilling or research program like MATS or ARENA and might be interested in working on AI safety long term, but don't have immediate career plans. It is relatively cheap to apply, and provides good future option value. I don’t argue that you should necessarily do a PhD, but some other posts do. PhD application deadlines for Fall 2025 start are coming up soon; many application deadlines are December 15th, though some are as early as next week. For the uninitiated, I provide a step by step guide to applying at the end of this post.

 

Applying to PhD programs might, in expectation, be worth your time. 

This might be true even if you are not sure you:

This is provided that you assign sufficient probability to all of the above, and you don't currently have better plans. PhD applications can be annoying, but in general applying [EA · GW] is cheap [EA · GW], and can often teach you things. A PhD might be something you might want to start in a year. Applying now gives you the optionality to do this, which future you might thank you for.

 

What is the basic case for a PhD?

Why might I want to apply even if I'm confident a PhD is not my current favourite choice?

 

In what cases might applying not be a good idea?

 

Convinced? Here is a step by step guide to applying. 

  1. Read a guide (there are likely other good ones). Some of the application process involves arbitrary customs and conventions. If you get these wrong you may signal that you are an inexperienced outsider.
  2. Reach out to three people who might be able to write you a letter of reference ASAP. Note that it’s already kind of late to be asking for this application round, so be prepared with backup letter writers.
  3. Figure out where you might want to apply, and when the application deadlines are.
  4. Fill out the application forms up until the "request references" point, so your referees have as much time as possible to submit references. They are busy people!
  5. (Optionally) research and email the professors you want to apply to ASAP. Be non generic.
  6. Write a Statement of Purpose that summarises who you are, what you’re interested in, what cool work you have done before, and who you might want to work with.
  7. Use an LLM to point out all the obvious flaws in your application, and fix them.
  8. Pay and apply! Application fees are generally around $80.

 

A personal anecdote. 

I applied to PhD programs last year, after having done an AI safety research program and having worked on technical AI safety for ~one year. I probably spent too long on the application process, but found it informative. It forced me to write out what exactly my interests were, and I had many good chats with professors who were working in areas I was interested in. I was pretty unsure about whether doing a PhD was right for me at all when I applied, and remained unsure for much of the subsequent year. I ended up getting a few good offers. As the year went by, my views changed quite substantially, and I became more convinced that a PhD was a good option for me and am now quite excited about the prospect. I may still not end up doing my PhD, but I'm pretty confident past me made the correct expected-value calculation when deciding to apply, and appreciate the optionality he afforded me.

 

Resources

Finally, some existing resources on PhDs in AI safety, that both do a better job making the case for/against PhDs than I do in this post, and paint a clearer picture of what doing a PhD might be like.

Find a PhD.

 

Thanks to Andy Arditi, Rudolf Laine, Joseph Miller, Sören Mindermann, Neel Nanda, Jake Mendel, and Francis Rhys Ward for helpful feedback on this post.

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comment by Henry Sleight (ResentHighly) · 2024-11-30T00:44:10.127Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Great post! I especially agree that for most independent researchers, applying to PHDs before you necessarily want one would be a helpful option to have as a backstop for if your near term career plans don't work out - and people should apply early because there's such a long lag time between application and starting.

I think it's also worth emphasising that if you have a non-standard work history (or are a bit junior), but might want to work in the United States, pursuing higher education in the US is one of the easiest ways to secure long-term work authorisation (And if someone funds your PhD, is radically cheaper than almost every alternative)

comment by CBiddulph (caleb-biddulph) · 2024-11-30T02:23:50.753Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks, this post made me seriously consider applying to a PhD, and I strong-upvoted. I had vaguely assumed that PhDs take way too long and don't allow enough access to compute compared to industry AI labs. But considering the long lead time required for the application process and the reminder that you can always take new opportunities as they come up, I now think applying is worth it.

However, looking into it, putting together a high-quality application starting now and finishing by the deadline seems approximately impossible? If the deadline were December 15, that would give you two weeks; other schools like Berkeley have even earlier deadlines. I asked ChatGPT how long it would take to apply to just a single school, and it said it would take 43–59 hours of time spent working, or ~4–6 weeks in real time. Claude said 37-55 hours/4-6 weeks.

Not to discourage anyone from starting their application now if they think they can do it - I guess if you're sufficiently productive and agentic and maybe take some amphetamines, you can do anything. But this seems like a pretty crazy timeline. Just the thought of asking someone to write me a recommendation letter in a two-week timeframe makes me feel bad.

Your post does make me think "if I were going to be applying to a PhD next December, what would I want to do now?" That seems pretty clarifying, and would probably be a helpful frame even if it turns out that a better opportunity comes along and I never apply to a PhD.

I think it'd be a good idea for you to repost this in August or early September of next year!