An Introduction to Control Markets

post by whpearson · 2013-04-03T23:33:27.275Z · LW · GW · Legacy · 14 comments

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Control markets are systems where the control of resources and the system is determined by a market, the currency of that market is given out dependent upon how well the system as a whole is doing.

They have been discussed and explored in computer systems for a while with Agorics, Learning Classifier systems and Eric Baum's work being two notable examples (ZCS being the closest LCS to it). These are limited and constrained markets, in that the communication and computational expressiveness of them are limited. However unlimited control markets may be of use in the real world to control an organization in a flexible fashion. For example it might be useful for shareholders  to control a board or possibly the whole company. Even if it isn't compatible with human motivational systems and real world conditions, discussing and thinking about these sorts of systems may enable us to find better organizational structures than our current ones.

Control market can be seen as trying to embed reinforcement learning into an organization.

When we create organizations we don't tend to design their control structures from a theoretical basis. We adopt the prevailing structures, such as a representatives, boards of directors or trustees. So are there organizational systems that can do better at keeping the organizations to their purpose1? Any exploration will have to be a mix of theory and practice.

Let us define a few terms:

We have little control on what stakeholders and actors are like, so we can only control the nature of feedback. So what desiderata do we want for feedback?

Ignoring checks and balances for a moment, a simple Control Market would be this:

There are any number of ways of designing the auctions and the system. You probably want to try and avoid inflation. Some theory for this would be good to develop.

So funge is cycled around, sunk into bidding for a resource and sourced from the feedback. So how are our desiderata?

However it gives ultimate power to one person. So fails the checks and balances desideratum. Checks and balances can be achieved somewhat by adding in more Resources that can be controlled by multiple Actors. How many resources you need to create to make sufficient checks and balances, is a question I don't know how to tackle, especially if each Resource gets individual Feedback which adds more complexity for the Stakeholder.  You might have non-Feedback giving Resources and say that they cannot be controlled by the same Actor so that power is spread.

There is at least one other issue: Bootstrapping, how does an person become an Actor and get funges, if you need funge to buy resources to get funge? It seems likely that parties will spring up and loan funge to up and coming potential Actors in expectation that they pay it back with interest. Whether these parties will be poisonous and powerful as a current ones are, is worth investigating. Aspiring Actors may also help Actors perform their jobs, with out any control of a Resource, with funge as a reward. This would allow them to save it up to be able to get control of a resource.

If funge is transferable to money, there is an issue, Actors might simply get money and then use that as an incentive for people, so that they will never have to give funge to someone (and potentially create a competitor for them).

If you are getting a feeling of deja vu I linked to my blog about this a while back. The reason why I am posting this now is that I am somewhat in a position to put some time/money towards creating infrastructure for testing a Control Market. I'll do another post with a call for participation.

Coda: So what is wrong with our current currencies? Fractional Reserve banking and money printing. This gives the power to people who can inflate the money supply, devaluing the effort people have previously put in to the system.

1 A group of highly motivated people with a common vision are probably the best way. But most companies and charities probably can't hope for this. Also if an organization starts off like this it may not stay like it over time, e.g. USA.

2 Vickery is sealed second bid. So people can't see what other people are bidding but it encourages truthful bidding.

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comment by DanielLC · 2013-04-04T03:44:05.084Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Feedback should work in a predictable fashion: Stakeholders and Actors are limited computational agents so cannot evaluate complex mechanisms.

I think the problem is somewhat the opposite of that. Many of the Stakeholders and the Actors are smarter than the person setting the feedback. They'll take advantage of what he doesn't know about his own feedback system.

If funge is transferable to money, there is an issue, Actors might simply get money and then use that as an incentive for people, so that they will never have to give funge to someone (and potentially create a competitor for them).

That only is a problem if funge is transferable to money but money is not tranferable to funge. For all intents and purposes, that is impossible.

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comment by whpearson · 2013-04-04T07:12:49.588Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Feedback should work in a predictable fashion: Stakeholders and Actors are limited computational agents so cannot evaluate complex mechanisms.

I think the problem is somewhat the opposite of that. Many of the Stakeholders and the Actors are smarter than the person setting the feedback. They'll take advantage of what he doesn't know about his own feedback system.

Stakeholders are the ones giving feedback, so they need to know what effect their feedback will have. But yep that is a problem, Actors in general being more motivated to game the system than Stakeholders police it.

That only is a problem if funge is transferable to money but money is not tranferable to funge. For all intents and purposes, that is impossible.

Hadn't thought of that. It does depend somewhat on the number of Actors within an organisation. The more, the larger the chance you can find one willing to sell funge (for a reasonable amount, so no monopolies or cartels). So it goes within the checks and balances desideratum.

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comment by DanielLC · 2013-04-04T20:27:56.637Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

It does depend somewhat on the number of Actors within an organisation.

If there's no one selling funge, then it's the same as money and funge being nontransferrable. If someone is selling his funge to pay you in money, you can just be the one he's selling his funge to.

Actors might simply get money and then use that as an incentive for people, so that they will never have to give funge to someone

If they're selling their funge to get the money, then they are giving funge to someone.

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comment by whpearson · 2013-04-04T20:56:38.039Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

If there's no one selling funge, then it's the same as money and funge being nontransferrable. If someone is selling his funge to pay you in money, you can just be the one he's selling his funge to.

The organisation might have an income, such as donations for a charity. One Resource within the organisation will be control of this income stream. So you can convert funge to money by bidding on this Resource, this just sinks the funge without giving it to a person.

comment by HonoreDB · 2013-04-04T21:34:23.690Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This seems like a good sketch of the endgame for histocracy, my own pie-in-the-sky organizational scheme. If you start with people voluntarily transitioning management of a resource they own to an open histocratic system with themselves as the judges, and then iterate and nest and stuff, you get something like this in the limit. I hadn't been able to envision it quite as elegantly as you do here.

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comment by whpearson · 2013-04-04T23:34:11.407Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Looks interesting. Will have to read it properly at some point. Any plans to test it in the real world? Or how you might encourage people to test it?

comment by [deleted] · 2013-04-04T08:26:28.243Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

However it gives ultimate power to one person.

Feature not bug? ;)

So fails the checks and balances desideratum. Checks and balances can be achieved somewhat by adding in more Resources that can be controlled by multiple Actors.

What is empirical evidence that checks and balances work as people assume they should in organizations?

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comment by whpearson · 2013-04-04T17:24:58.074Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

However it gives ultimate power to one person.

Feature not bug? ;)

Possibly. I admit there is an organisational overhead to checks and balances. I also tend to think of the system as an isolated one, which means I don't tend to consider things like prosecuting someone for theft if they just gut the organisation and run off with the money. Which I probably should. Having people sign a contract saying they won't intefere with or marginalise the market when gaining control of ultimate power would assuage some of my concerns.

What is empirical evidence that checks and balances work as people assume they should in organizations?

The continued stability of the liberal democracy rule set? One would assume that some past leaders would have liked to have remained in power and might have rewritten the rules to allow them to do so if they could have done.

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comment by ChristianKl · 2013-04-12T14:56:20.802Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Having people sign a contract saying they won't intefere with or marginalise the market when gaining control of ultimate power would assuage some of my concerns.

Which authority judges whether someone is engaging into the behavior of intefering with or marginalising the market?

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comment by whpearson · 2013-04-12T19:13:10.530Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

The same authority that decides whether people are engaging in anti-competitive behaviour currently: The courts of law.

They probably wouldn't be very good at it, but it provides some disincentive which isn't there in the more abstract models I think about.

comment by ChristianKl · 2013-04-12T14:47:04.398Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

What is empirical evidence that checks and balances work as people assume they should in organizations?

Nothing works exactly as people assume it should. If you look at the US it however seems quite clear to me that power is distributed among multiple people. Nixon lost power through impeachment.

The US Supreme court frequently invalidates laws that congress passes.

Multiple actors need to agree to get some things done.

comment by PECOS-9 · 2013-04-04T23:20:51.702Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Can you give an example of an existing organization that could be rearranged to use control markets and specify what its stakeholders, feedback, actors, and resources would be?

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comment by whpearson · 2013-04-04T23:36:57.523Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Is this description helpful? If not I'll try and get a better description done tomorrow evening at some point. Although not having done it means I'm not sure exactly how to best break up a system into resources.

comment by whpearson · 2013-04-05T20:58:16.369Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Okay lets take the UK house of commons, as I am familiar with it.

In its current form:

  • Resource: A seat for a constituency
  • Actor: An MP or a prospective MP
  • Stakeholder: A voter
  • Feedback: A vote
  • Resource changing methodology: Tallying the votes

You could use a naive mapping and only change the feedback to be funge and the resource changing methodology to be an auction.

So what would this look like? MPs would try and convince their constituency they were doing a good job, so they get a positive return on their seat. The MPs could pay non-MPs in funge to help them think up good schemes to improve the lives of their constituency or at least make them thinks things were getting better. The non-MPs would thus get capital later on to make bids for their own seats. MPs could make trades of funge between them to get them to help each other out in getting laws passed. These trades would be public (as would bidding histories).

Make sense?