Terminally ill teen won historic ruling to preserve body

post by NancyLebovitz · 2016-11-18T14:16:59.952Z · score: 7 (8 votes) · LW · GW · Legacy · 9 comments

This is a link post for http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38012267

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comment by James_Miller · 2016-11-18T15:56:10.030Z · score: 14 (14 votes) · LW · GW

The dad said "Even if the treatment is successful and she is brought back to life in let's say 200 years, she may not find any relative and she might not remember things and she may be left in a desperate situation given that she is only 14 years old and will be in the United States of America."

Those of us who have signed up for cryonics should consider putting together a statement that when we are revived, we will check to see if similarly revived children are being looked after, and if they are not we will consider it our moral duty to help the children.

comment by Luke_A_Somers · 2016-11-18T15:39:48.116Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

There's a big reddit thread on it. Predictable comments.

comment by morganism · 2016-11-18T22:00:37.379Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

An interesting blog article too, and it points out that Majaresh is still "deeply meditating" in the Himalayas, in an open source cryonic facility....

https://suesspiciousminds.com/2016/11/18/cryogenics-and-the-courts/

"It turns out that a person cannot control what happens to their body after their death – because a dead body is not property, so you can’t state in a will what is to happen to it. Williams v Williams 1882. The wishes of the deceased may be relevant, but they don’t bind third parties. "

comment by ernestdezoe · 2016-11-18T18:18:15.841Z · score: 0 (2 votes) · LW · GW

What utility would future humans find in reviving cryonically preserved humans ? Besides a cryonically preserved person can't fight to protect his/her own interest to have the cryonic facilities spared during economic crisis , wars , social unrests..... which would surely happen in the future , history has shown time and time again how those who don't or can't fight to protect their interests stand no chance of having their preference on the status of the world met (other agents would force their preference on the status of the world instead)

comment by NancyLebovitz · 2016-11-18T19:42:47.409Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

No guarantees, but cryonics companies will want to protect their reputations, and I expect pressure groups of family members, friends, and fans doing somewhat to support reviving preserved humans-- perhaps even supporting a principle of reviving people rather than just one's favorites.

comment by James_Miller · 2016-11-18T21:00:31.346Z · score: -1 (3 votes) · LW · GW

Since Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, why is she not going to be President? Because of the dead hand of the past.

comment by g_pepper · 2016-11-18T23:17:51.705Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

David Harsanyi gives a spirited defense of the electoral college over at Reason. I'm not sure I agree with his entire argument, but one great observation that he makes is that, had the 2016 election been a popular election, it would have changed the voting dynamics - people in strongly red or blue states are disincentivised from voting under the current system and would not be under a popular vote, and people in swing states would be less strongly incentivised to vote under a popular vote. Similarly, campaigning would be done differently under a popular voting system - under our current system the candidates focus on winning specific states with more attention being paid to swing states whereas under a popular vote, the candidates would have focused their efforts more uniformly.

The takeaway is that the fact that Clinton won the popular vote in an election based on the electoral college does not imply that she would have won the popular vote in an election based on the popular vote.

comment by Lumifer · 2016-11-18T21:34:44.854Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Because of the dead hand of the past.

But not a cryogenically preserved hand.

Being dead is a well-solved problem.

comment by James_Miller · 2016-11-18T22:22:36.963Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

As is creating institutional values that outlive the institution's founders.