College advice for people who are exactly like me

post by benkuhn · 2020-04-13T01:30:02.265Z · LW · GW · 4 comments

Contents

  Keep the goal in mind
  Social environment >> classes
  Get better at deciding what to do
  Take a gap year
  Bias towards action
  Get good advice
  Aggressively ignore bullshit
  Don’t take this too seriously
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It’s college decision season! To celebrate, I’ve been thinking about what I would have told myself in 2011 when I was deciding where to attend. Here’s a stitching-together of several emails I sent to friends who asked for college advice, plus a few additional thoughts.

As a caveat: I really do mean that this advice is for people who are exactly like me! So please don’t take my word for things—lots won’t apply to you because we’re different. As with all advice: think about it, see what resonates with you, consider reversing it, and generally take it as one of many data points.

Keep the goal in mind

At the end of college you should probably have a good idea about what to do next.

Here’s the default way to figure that plan out: (1) don’t think about it for three years; (2) get really stressed during your senior year because you have no idea what you want to do; (3) notice that all your friends are interviewing for jobs in consulting, finance, and MicroFaceGoogAzon; (4) accept a job from consulting, finance, or MicroFaceGoogAzon.

This process… could stand to be improved. Plan ahead and don’t make a “safe” decision based on social defaults or fear of not having a job. The most important question to answer is “what kind of jobs exist that (a) I would enjoy and (b) I have a reasonable shot at getting?”

Yes, it is scary and stressful to stare this question (especially b!) in the face, but it should be a lot scarier to waste years doing something safe instead of something awesome.

That isn’t to say you need to know with any amount of certainty what you want to do. (That’s unreasonable and it will change anyway.) Just that it’s good if your choices during college are informed by some broad sense of what they’re setting you up for later. “Plans are useless; planning is indispensable.”

Social environment >> classes

The other useful thing to get out of college is a bunch of awesome, smart and competent friends. I’d recommend optimizing for that, probably more than educational quality or status.

Sub-points:

Get better at deciding what to do

One thing I wish I’d had more of in college is something like a sense of taste: not aesthetic taste, but more “taste for what’s awesome” or “taste in good projects.” (My role model for good project-taste was my friend Adrian, who coauthored articles in Nature, Science and Cell before graduating.)

Good taste is what will guide you to doing effective things, instead of pointless things, in college. But it’s also really hard to develop good taste while in college, because you have no models of good taste except for academics. Academics’ taste is often deeply weird and driven by what niche will get them tenure rather than what is exciting or useful, so it’s good to have other models of taste too.

My best guess for how to do that is to take a gap year, during which you can front-load learning how the real world works. Summer internships outside academia are also good.1

Take a gap year

Yes, I just mentioned this above, but it’s concrete and important enough to merit its own section. I didn’t personally take a gap year, but everyone I know who took one found that it enormously improved how they used their time in college, and nobody regretted it.

If the point of a gap year is to improve how you spend your time in college, then you should spend it trying to learn as much as possible about how the world outside college works, and in particular, what that world considers valuable. Try to find projects that let you work with non-academics and produce something genuinely useful.

(It’s common for people to spend their gap years volunteering or traveling. A bit of that will expand your horizons, but spending the whole year on it, while fun, won’t maximize your learning.)

Bias towards action

One of the biggest new things about college is that you have way more independence. Because your parents no longer oversee your day-to-day life, it takes a lot less friction to do something random or unexpected.

Many college students take advantage of this by filling their schedule with (a) either parties or problem sets, plus (b) lunch dates where they complain about how busy they are. There are more exciting options! Here are some things I did that I think were more valuable on the margin than additional problem sets, even though a lot of them “didn’t work out:”

Of course, the problem sets are also important! But if you discover you can’t live without them, well, you can have six more years of grad school for that. If you discover you can’t live without parties, I’m not your guy for advice.

Get good advice

Getting good advice is one of the highest-impact things you can do! A one-hour conversation with a good advice-giver can totally change how you spend months of your time. Most people underrate good advice by a lot.

This is because most advice is bad.2 For instance, if your college assigns you advisers they will probably be terrible.

My freshman year I was assigned a dental student as an adviser. I’m sure she was doing her best, but she had absolutely no idea how easy or hard any of the introductory courses were. (She could tell me things like “that course a reputation for being hard,” but students come in with such different backgrounds that “hard” in the abstract is a completely meaningless description.) Her only contribution to my education was to convince me not to take the hardest intro math course during my first semester. I don’t think that made my life that much worse, but I do think I missed out on a great time!

My sophomore adviser would have been worse if I hadn’t learned my lesson by that time: when I handed her my study card she warned me that “introductory theoretical statistics” might ruin me, presumably because she hadn’t heard of algebraic topology. (There’s no reason she should have—she was studying education.) Fortunately, I successfully convinced her I’d be fine.

(Of course, the advice I really needed to hear was that “hard” and “important” aren’t related, but that would have been way too much to ask for a 10-minute conversation slot!)

The problem is that by college, good advice is incredibly context-specific to you—what you enjoy, what frustrates you, what your background is like, what kind of goals you’re likely to have—that most formal advisers won’t ever have the time to understand.

Because of this, most of your best advice will probably come from bouncing things off friends—optimally friends who are a bit older than you, but people in your year are also probably better than random faculty. I think I under-utilized this a lot in college and would have benefited from reaching out more to people who I knew had a similar outlook.

(It’s possible to get good advice from authority figures at your college, but you’ll need to recognize their limitations and biases—no dental student will give you good advice about math courses, few professors will tell you that grad school sucks, etc. If you treat them skeptically and do the work yourself to focus their advising on the areas where they’re well-informed, then you might have better luck than I did.)

Aggressively ignore bullshit

Coming in, you will probably think that your college experience has been carefully designed to provide you the best possible education. (HA HA HA.3) As a result, when your college asks you to do things, you will feel inclined to take them seriously.

This is a mistake. Your college will spew lots of bullshit at you. Ignore it when you can; when you can’t, try to limit the degree to which it seeps into your life.

Examples of things that, in my opinion, turned out to be bullshit (of course this will vary by school, field, worldview, etc.):

Lest this sound too cynical, let me point out that (a) college is still awesome and (b) ignoring bullshit gives you crazy superpowers to focus on the actually awesome parts, like spending time with smart people, learning difficult things, trying out different jobs and activities, etc.

Don’t take this too seriously

I’ll close with some reasons you shouldn’t take this advice too seriously:

  1. If you want to go to grad school, you might need to spend your summers cranking out research projects instead, but also, consider whether you really want to go to grad school… ↩︎

  2. Including this advice! I know nothing about your situation or preferences! ↩︎

  3. Actually, your college experience has been carefully designed to provide you with a piece of paper signalling to potential employers that you are intelligent and work hard, while in the process transferring as much money as possible from your family to administrators and construction firms. Also there are some people who will try to teach you stuff. The silver lining is that most of the brightest people in the world also want the same piece of paper so you can spend a lot of time hanging out with them. ↩︎

  4. Linear and abstract algebra, real analysis, and a few years of post-AP CS. ↩︎

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comment by lsusr · 2020-04-13T05:29:14.982Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This is great advice for some people and good advice to reverse for many others. I like the related posts on your blog too. They all work well together.

The unrelated post on startup options is especially cool too.

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↑ comment by benkuhn · 2020-04-14T22:29:54.246Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed them!

comment by Gordon Seidoh Worley (gworley) · 2020-04-13T16:41:04.153Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for sharing. It's now 20 years since I was a high school senior applying to colleges. Here's what I think is worth knowing that I didn't. Note that some of this advice is a bit US centric and likely skewed by my career in software engineering:

  • Going to the most prestigious college you can is potentially worth it if you want to do something that requires a strong signal of competence (careers in academia, consulting).
  • Going to the cheapest quality college you can (probably a major college in state) is a great choice if you need a degree to get a job or you need some time to learn to be independent before you can get a job on your own skills.
  • If you like to learn and are already able to get stuff done on your own without people micromanaging you, you can probably skip college if you can convince someone to employ you since you can learn on your own for free (or get your employer to pay for the time you spend learning things) and once you've had a job that serves as a much better credential than any degree for getting your next job.

I found undergraduate education very helpful for giving me time and space to "grow up", and it gave me a shared baseline of knowledge that helped accelerate me in my career, though one that I think someone could learn on their own under different circumstances. Graduate school was helpful in similar ways, mostly for me in that it was the first point at which education got hard enough that I had to work to succeed (I found out what "studying" was, had to learn and fail and learn how to manage my time, energy, and motivation) and couldn't coast by on my raw smarts. On the other hand, I probably stayed in school longer than necessary because I was confused about what I wanted, and a push to join the workforce sooner rather than later might have been helpful.

comment by DanB · 2020-04-13T21:31:34.638Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I would add two ideas:

  • Try to find a good role model - someone who is similar to you in relevant respects, is a couple of years ahead of you, who has done something you think is awesome, and who you can talk to and observe to some extent. Bill Gates is probably not a good role model.
  • Try to form a realistic assessment of how important college actually is; people often err in imagining it to be more or less important than it is in reality (these errors seem to be correlated with social class). I would estimate that the 4 years of college are only modestly more important than other years of your life. What you do right after college is important. What you do when you're in your late 20s is important.