[SEQ RERUN] Failed Utopia #4-2

This story, as well as other gender-related issues within the Sequences, mean that despite them containing what seems to be to be a lot of value, I definitely would not recommend them to anyone else without large disclaimers, in a similar fashion to how Eliezer refers to Aumann.

This story irresistibly reads to me as the author endorsing or implicitly assuming:

1) There are exactly two genders, and everyone is a member of exactly one; 2) Everyone is heterosexual; 3) Humans have literally 0 use for members of the other gender other than romance.

I always was rather curious about that other story EY mentions in the comments. (The "gloves off on the application of FT" one, not the boreanas one.) It could have made for tremendously useful memetic material / motivation for those who can't visualize a compelling future. Given all the writing effort he would later invest in MoR, I suppose the flaw with that prospect was a perceived forced tradeoff between motivating the unmotivated and demotivating the motivated.

Were the verthandi cat girls? I did not catch that the first time I read it. They seemed sentient. I did think it was odd that the AI would be allowed to create people.

Are the people still capable of having kids?

The only sad part of that story was when the AI died.

Hmm, isn't there a logical contradiction between

I fully understand. I can already predict every argument you will make.

and

Roughly 89.8% of the human species is now known to me to have requested my death. Very soon the figure will cross the critical threshold, defined to be ninety percent. That was one of the hundred and seven precautions

? Surely this outcome, resulting in hitting one of the 107 precautions only minutes after the singularity, was predicted by the AI, and thus it would have been able to avoid it (trivially by doing nothing).

I tried to process through the story again, and I realized a perspective on it that I don't think I noticed on my first run through. To start off with:

A: Almost everyone is viciously upset and wants the AI's death, very, very quickly.

B: Even the AI is well aware that it failed.

C: 89.8% of the Human species includes people who aren't even CLOSE to any kind of romantic/decision making age. (at least according to http://populationpyramid.net/ )

D: Yet the AI has to have failed so horribly that the statistics are implied that almost every human being remaining alive capable of expressing the thought "I want you dead." wants it dead.

Now if the AI actually did something like this:

1: Terraform Mars and Venus

2: Relocate all Heterosexual Cisgender Adult Males to Mars, boost health.

3: Relocate all Heterosexual Cisgender Adult Females to Venus, boost health.

4: Make Complementary Partners on Mars and Venus.

Then it seems to imply, but not say:

5a: A large number of minor children have been abandoned to their deaths as any remaining adults who are still on Earth can't possibly take care of 100% of the remaining minor children in the wake of a massive societal disruption of being left behind. Oh, and neither the remaining adults or the children get boosted health, either. So, all those people in #2 and #3? You'll probably outlive your minor children even if they DID survive, and you get no say in it.

5b: Everyone in 5a was just killed very fast, possibly by being teleported to the Moon.

Either of those might be a horrible enough thing for the AI to have such a monumentally bad approval rating for a near total death wish to occur so quickly. But little else would.

I love my wife, A LOT, but I don't think her and I being moved to separate planets where we were both given amicable divorce by force and received compensation for not being able to see several of our family members for years would make me start hurling death wishes at the only thing which could hypothetically reverse the situation and which obviously has an enormous amount of power. And even if it did, applying that to 89.8% of people doesn't seem likely. I think a lot of them would spend much more time just being in shock until they got used to it.

On the other hand, if you kill my baby nephew and my young cousins and a shitload of other people then I can EASILY see myself hurling around death wishes on you, whether or not I really mean them, and hitting 89.8% feels much more likely.

If there are no implied deaths, then it seems like a vast portion of humanity is being excruciatingly dumb and reactionary for no reason, much like Stephen Grass, unless Stephen Grass DID realize the implied deaths and that's why he vomited when he did.

This seems to be sort of left up to the reader, since all Yudkowsky said in http://lesswrong.com/lw/xu/failed_utopia_42/qia was

Indeed. It's not clear from the story what happened to them, not to mention everyone who isn't heterosexual. Maybe they're on a moon somewhere?

Whether or not that moon has been Terraformed/Paradised or is still a death trap makes a rather huge difference. Although, I may just be reading too much into a plothole, since he also said.

I'll note that I wrote this story in one night.

Elsewhere in the thread. http://lesswrong.com/lw/xu/failed_utopia_42/t4d