The Importance-Avoidance Effect

post by David Hartsough (david-hartsough) · 2022-09-30T10:09:14.238Z · LW · GW · 7 comments

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comment by Nanda Ale · 2022-10-18T07:46:36.641Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This post resonates with me. There's some overlap in strategy with something I posted in an older thread. I sometimes go even further than not trying to perfect, and have to intentionally try to be terrible as a strategy: 

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For creative work my favorite strategy is a variation on what is sometimes called the vomit draft in screenwriting circles - intentionally create the laziest, worst version of what you are working on. The original vomit draft strategy is more about writing without stopping to revise or reflect or worry about the quality, but even that doesn't go far enough to penetrate my procrastination. So I make it my goal to create a bad version of whatever I'm working on. The laziest tropes in writing, the worst programming practices in technical work.

The principal is the same: anything that gets you moving gets you headed in the right direction, even though it may not seem like it at first. But sure enough, at some point I can't help myself and feel compelled to fix or improve my terrible work.

Instead of resolving to work on your project for an hour, resolve to work on it for a minute. Since the task is now much smaller, the barrier should be much smaller as well.

Even this can sometimes be too much of a blocker for me. I think, what's the next step in this project, what should I spend that minute on? It's an impossible 'Ugh field [LW · GW]' I can't break through. Luckly, there is still room to lower our standards. Instead of resolving to work, resolve to try to work. This is a lot harder to cheat, I know what effort feels like. 

My other primary strategy is kind of boring, just biking and exercise. Mentally I feel a lot different after a lot of cardio.

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(copy and pasted myself from https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2mH7v5doDqoCZSn6z/not-useless-advice-for-dealing-with-things-you-don-t-want-to?commentId=SuEEMuRoXTgfjkhhD [LW(p) · GW(p)])

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comment by David Hartsough (david-hartsough) · 2022-10-21T00:47:29.893Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Fascinating! I've never come across this type of "vomit draft" advice before haha, and I'm not sure I've ever tried it either. (I'll have to give it a go sometime.)

I think the "do it for 1 minute" (or 5 minutes [? · GW]) technique is pretty effective in most cases. Great tip to point out!

Thanks!

comment by Aiyen · 2022-10-28T18:20:33.260Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Strongly upvoted.  This is a definite tendency I struggle with, but hadn't given much thought to.  It would be interesting to see what strategies people have come up with to deal with this. 

comment by JacobW38 (JacobW) · 2022-10-08T04:13:10.366Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I don't think I've ever experienced this. I'd actually say I could be described by the blue graph. The more I really, really care about something, the more I want to do absolutely nothing but it, especially if I care about it for bigger reasons than, say, because it's a lot of fun at this moment. Sometimes, there comes a point where continuing to improve said objective feels like it's bringing diminishing returns, so I call the project sufficiently complete to my liking. Other times, it never stops feeling worth the effort, or it is simply too important not to perpetually, asymptotically optimize the mission. So I keep moving forward, forever. I know for sure that the work I consider the most important thing I'll ever do is also something I'll never stop obsessing over for a minute. And it doesn't become onerous; it feels awesome to have set oneself on a trajectory demanding of such fixation. So I'm actually a little puzzled what the upshot is supposed to be here.

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comment by David Hartsough (david-hartsough) · 2022-10-17T23:18:47.797Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That's awesome! I'm jealous :)

The conclusion is simply: if this applies to you, try to be aware of it and prevent it from getting in your way.

But if none of the things under the section at the top beginning "See if any of this sound familiar" actually seem familiar to you, then this post won't be relevant or applicable to you.

In fact, please let this post pass your mind, and carry on "moving forward forever" and feeling awesome! 😃

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comment by JacobW38 (JacobW) · 2022-10-18T05:16:28.169Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That being said, I could see how this feeling would come about if the value/importance in question is being imposed on you by others, rather than being the value you truly assign to the project. In that case, such a burden can weigh heavily and manifest aversively. But avoiding something you actually assign said value to just seems like a basic error in utility math?

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comment by David Hartsough (david-hartsough) · 2022-10-21T00:41:29.608Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Many people I know personally (including myself) have experienced or regularly experience this "imposed" "burden" you're referring to, except they place it on themselves with "ought" and "should" (instead of "want", for example). ("I am going to work on that this month." Vs "I want to work on that this month." Vs "I should work on that this month." Vs "I have to work on that this month." The differences are subtle in language but massive in cognitive weight.)

Sometimes it's like having someone inside your head with a whip trying to drive behavior with excessive pressure according to some maxim or moral imperative. This is obviously not healthy or long-term effective, but some people genuinely go through this (and some never make it out of it).