Opposite attractions

post by KatjaGrace · 2020-12-19T21:30:15.793Z · LW · GW · 2 comments

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Is the opposite of what you love also what you love?

I think there’s a general pattern where if you value A you tend to increase the amount of it in your life, and you end feeling very positively about various opposites of A—things that are very unlike A, or partially prevent A, or undo some of A’s consequences—as well. At least some of the time, or for some parts of you, or in some aspects, or when your situation changes a bit. Especially if you contain multitudes.

Examples:

This pattern makes sense, because people and things are multifaceted, and effects are uncertain and delayed. So some aspect of you liking some aspect of a thing at some time will often mean you ramp up that kind of thing, producing effects other than the one you liked, plus more of the effect that you liked than intended because of delay. And anyway you are a somewhat different creature by then, and maybe always had parts less amenable to the desired thing anyway. Or more simply, because in systems full of negative feedbacks, effects tend to produce opposite effects, and you and the world are such systems.

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comment by lejuletre · 2020-12-19T23:11:49.996Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for this ! For various reasons I often get a bit obsessive about tending towards one side of a pattern in situations like these; I can end up feeling like I'm "betraying" my identity or my tribe if I enjoy something which is generally opposite from what I normally enjoy. The examples about Bob and spending time with one's partner particularly stuck out to me. This is a really useful way for me to reframe how I think about things like this ! 

comment by DirectedEvolution (AllAmericanBreakfast) · 2020-12-20T01:52:30.040Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This makes me think of Goodhart's Law. It's as if "love" is a rule to "maximize X." Many times, it may be that what we want is not to "maximize X," but to "increase X in certain circumstances," which we discover by trying to maximize X and observing the results. Over a long period of time, we discover the specific contexts in which a certain level of X is appropriate. Appreciation of anti-X comes naturally from applying a general rule to maximize X in new contexts where that is not a good approach.

There are other, more boring explanations as well:

The person who loves saunas and jumping in ice water may love extremes of temperature; they may also love to jump in ice water, and then need to warm up afterward in the sauna so that they don't die of hypothermia.

The person who craves danger but also obsesses over safety mechanisms is simply concerned with maximizing their adrenaline rush.