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Comment by ephion on How to grow faster · 2015-07-22T18:21:15.592Z · LW · GW

Which jurisdictions? It is legal in the US as Bronkaid. You have to sign for it at a pharmacy, but I have never been turned down for it.

Comment by ephion on October 2014 Media Thread · 2014-10-14T17:23:31.211Z · LW · GW

Ne Obliviscaris's new song is absurdly good. Actually all of their music is amazing.

Comment by ephion on Group Rationality Diary, September 16-30 · 2014-09-18T16:07:20.934Z · LW · GW

This is an awesome trick, and I'm going to incorporate it. Thanks!

Comment by ephion on Ways to improve LessWrong · 2014-09-14T03:16:48.599Z · LW · GW

Go to lesswrong.com. See how the 'Main' link is bolded? Click on Discussion. Now Discussion is bolded, and we're in the Discussion section. Ah, so that means I must have just left Main. Let's go back by clicking on Main. Wait, why am I in a different discussion section now? I thought Main was what I saw when I went to the url!

I can't be the only person that is confused by that UI choice. I wasn't aware that 'Main' even had articles for months because of that.

Another UI issue: In Discussion, clicking the big LessWrong logo takes me to... Discussion. In Main (diiscussion forum, not front page of site), clicking the same logo takes me to the front page of the site. These really ought to have the same behavior.

The Sequences are one of the more important parts of LW, but actually getting there isn't immediately obvious. A "Start reading here!" link near the top would be tremendously helpful for new people.

Comment by ephion on Why I Am Not a Rationalist, or, why several of my friends warned me that this is a cult · 2014-07-25T20:18:19.761Z · LW · GW

I'd like to see more "calm discussion" of status differentials in relationships, because a general solution here would address nearly all concerns about polyamory.

What concerns do you have, exactly? I've found that the increased fluidity and flexibility inherent to polyamory (vs monogamy, it can't touch singlehood there) are great for reducing the impact and duration for potentially abusive or unhealthy situations, as a) people often have other partners who can help mediate conflicts or alert red flags, b) to isolate a person, the abuser has to go to the additional step of having the person break up with all of their partners. Furthermore, individuals tend toward more satisfying relationships as time goes on as the availability of other relationships tends to either cause less healthy/happy relationships to take less time/attention from the people involved or grow into more healthy/happy relationships.

One recipe for being a player is to go after lower-status (less-attractive) people, fulfill their romantic needs with a mix of planned romance, lies and bravado, have lots of sex, and then give face-saving excuses when abandoning them.

We aren't talking about poly anymore, right? Because this would get a person a terrible reputation in any of the poly circles I know. Or, any social circle I'm a part of at all. Any social scene where this isn't frowned upon isn't the kind of scene I'd like to be a part of.

Comment by ephion on Why I Am Not a Rationalist, or, why several of my friends warned me that this is a cult · 2014-07-14T20:03:37.888Z · LW · GW

In my experience with the LW community, they see polyamory as an equally valid alternative to monogamy. Many practice, many don't, and poly people include those with children and those without.

Comment by ephion on Open thread, 14-20 July 2014 · 2014-07-14T18:50:20.239Z · LW · GW

Huh -- I've found that pomodoros help me stay on task tremendously. I generally keep a timer tab open, and my brain seems to think "Oh, I can avoid facebook for another five minutes... let's keep working!"

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, July 2014 · 2014-07-14T17:08:51.508Z · LW · GW

Interesting! I have no experience with techno, but my genre of specialty (metal) is also subject to the loudness war. Generally I've found that clipping effects (the free gclip vst is great for this) is good for reducing the imperceptible attack on drums, and some side chain compression to duck the bass when the kick hits are most of what's necessary to be able to apply heavy compression and volume increasing without sacrificing too much quality.

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, July 2014 · 2014-07-14T16:54:49.065Z · LW · GW

I really appreciate the words of caution. I don't plan on priming the doctor about what I think I have (consciously), and instead just describe my family history and symptoms. Knowing about the medical student's disease and difficulty of self-diagnosis leads me to weight the opinion of an expert higher than my own opinion.

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, July 2014 · 2014-07-14T13:14:45.254Z · LW · GW

Man! Last month I posted that I had learned some HTML/CSS/JS and made a really basic website. This month, I learned that I made an A in my CS101 class, am currently making an A in my CS102 class, and picked up a part time internship doing web/mobile (phonegap) development for a startup in my town. I've also started designing a website I want to make, and have built a dev VM with Ruby on Rails built in and configured.

I've got all my financial stuff together to start going back to school full time in the spring, and I'll graduate with my BS Computer Science in Spring 2016.

I've used Pomodoro time management to balance my two partners, full time job, school, internship, and powerlifting.

I also realized that I really should go to a psychiatrist about potentially having bipolar II, as this is a pretty classic hypomanic phase immediately following a depressive phase.

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, July 2014 · 2014-07-14T13:05:34.281Z · LW · GW

Nice. Mastering can be a nightmare, and getting the loudness up without ruining quality is one of the hardest parts of releasing pro sounding music.

Comment by ephion on Sugar and motivation · 2014-06-16T17:55:12.364Z · LW · GW

Odd complementary anecdote: I just started the ketogenic diet again and am noticing that my motivation and cognition are getting better, despite being in a depressed state.

Comment by ephion on Is there a way to stop liking sugar? · 2014-06-11T23:33:48.041Z · LW · GW

I did a ketogenic diet for about 6 months. After deciding to eat carbs again, everything was really sweet tasting, even potatoes and bread. Desserts were just unbearably sweet. I'm on day 2 of starting a ketogenic diet, and my body is definitely craving carbs... but that will soon stop, and I'll be free.

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, June 2014 · 2014-06-11T18:49:06.163Z · LW · GW

Awesome. I keep seeing awesome reports on the GZCL method... I might have to make that my plan when my back is better.

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, June 2014 · 2014-06-10T14:05:57.199Z · LW · GW

Thank you! I really appreciate that. I'll definitely keep that in mind.

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, June 2014 · 2014-06-10T14:04:44.332Z · LW · GW

Fuck, that's awesome. I've been stuck with a max of 360 for about a year now, after two years of lifting. What is your lifting program?

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, June 2014 · 2014-06-10T14:02:16.068Z · LW · GW

Thanks! I really appreciate it. I'll keep that in mind when I run into more difficult projects.

Comment by ephion on Bragging Thread, June 2014 · 2014-06-08T18:16:46.247Z · LW · GW

I learned enough HTML/CSS/JS to make a basic website and a few interactive apps, and also found a ton of cool resources on learning more CS stuff.

Comment by ephion on Group Rationality Diary, June 1-15 · 2014-06-03T19:25:21.750Z · LW · GW

I've started spending a significant amount of time per day studying various CS topics: HTML, CSS, JS, discrete math, Java, etc.. and building a portfolio of "to do" projects when I have the basic skills. I am choosing to do this over the much more fun and interesting playing and recording music.

Comment by ephion on Wondering what to do with my ability for empathy and understanding people. Have some experience and perhaps opportunity to work with this professionally - advice? · 2014-06-03T13:42:02.033Z · LW · GW

Therapy or psychiatry seem like good fields to go into here.

Comment by ephion on Ergonomics Revisited · 2014-04-24T19:30:25.791Z · LW · GW

Fair point! I think 1080 is fine for me and the extra screen space would be more useful than finer resolution, but I can definitely see how resolution could be more important for other applications.

Comment by ephion on Open thread, 21-27 April 2014 · 2014-04-23T19:06:08.900Z · LW · GW

Don't get married unless there is a compelling reason to do so. There's a base rate of 40-50% for divorce, and at least some proportion of existing marriages are unhealthy and unhappy. Divorce is one of the worst things that can happen to you, and many of the benefits of marriage to happiness are because happier people are more likely to get married in the first place.

Comment by ephion on Ergonomics Revisited · 2014-04-23T18:42:40.153Z · LW · GW

Why would I want that when I can get two of these, have 43" of real estate, and $240 left over?

Comment by ephion on Open Thread April 8 - April 14 2014 · 2014-04-09T19:57:17.605Z · LW · GW

Music is one of the primary joys and pleasures in my life. It is not optional for me.

Comment by ephion on Optimal Exercise · 2014-04-04T17:32:26.565Z · LW · GW

This list is highly subjective. I can't stand tennis, frisbee, or dance, and I really love lifting and yoga.

Comment by ephion on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-04T06:15:57.268Z · LW · GW

Look into plate loaded dumbbell sets. I've got a pair of 14" screw lock handles that can accommodate up to 125lbs each (using 25lb plates), and it took me a long time to grow out of them.

Comment by ephion on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-04T01:35:01.686Z · LW · GW

Those are called dumbbell rows, and they're a great exercise. 10lbs is awfully light for that motion, but it is better than nothing.

Comment by ephion on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-03T17:49:23.435Z · LW · GW

Without knowing your environment, it's hard to say how I'd improvise pulls. You can set your feet up on a chair and do inverted rows against a table. A chinup bar is a great investment for this, as the chinup is one of the best upper body exercises available.

Comment by ephion on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-03T15:06:56.560Z · LW · GW

I'm noticing that your evening routine has three abdominal exercises and zero back exercises -- you might want to consider adding back bridges or supermans to balance your core. I would recommend skipping crunches and situps -- they're bad for your back/posture and they're ineffective at developing abdominal strength or endurance. Instead, I'd recommend planks, since they strengthen the abdominal muscles while emphasizing good posture. The hanging leg raise is also a great ab exercise, since it works the whole abdominal chain without loading the back.

Your evening workout also only has an upper body push motion (pushups) which is neglecting your pulling muscles. I would recommend adding rows or chinups to balance out the joint. Joint strength imbalance is responsible for many injuries that people experience, and it's very common to be stronger at pushing than pulling due to the higher status of push exercises in Western culture.

For the office routine, planks get my recommendation again. If you want to invest a bit of money, the ab wheel can be used for rollouts which are extremely effective. That shouldn't have you touching the floor too much if you put some padding under your knees.

Comment by ephion on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-03T02:55:35.512Z · LW · GW

A circuit refers to doing many exercises at the same time -- instead of doing a set of squats, resting for a minute, then doing another set of squats, you'd do a set of squats, a set of pushups, a set of rows, rest for a bit, and then go back through doing squats, etc...

It's unnecessary to rest that long unless you are doing a brutally intense bodybuilding style workout, and you're taking the drugs necessary to see results from it. Full body routines done frequently are best for strength.

If you max out the difficulty on the variations (should take you a while -- 3x8 handstand pushups is no joke), then adding weight is the next step. A barbell setup is the most effective way, but a plate-loaded dumbbell setup can be very space efficient.

Comment by ephion on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-02T18:10:43.033Z · LW · GW

I'd recommend squats, pushups, and rows. To save time, you'd want to do them in a circuit. The links provided give a progression guideline. I'd say start off with 3 sets of 4, and when that feels comfortable, add a rep to each set, progressing to the next exercise when you can do 3x8. Pushups, rows, and squats all work different muscle groups, so they won't interfere with each other, so you don't need a rest period.

Finish off with 4 minutes doing Tabata intervals on your rowing machine. This entire routine should take you less than the 15 minute requested, and since you're not resting much between sets, it will be a good blend of cardiovascular training and strength training.

Comment by ephion on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-02T02:27:45.613Z · LW · GW

Reposting from last open thread as I didn't get any inquiries:

I've seen a lot of discontent on LW about exercise. I know enough about physical training to provide very basic coaching and instruction to get people started, and I can optimize a plan for a variety of parameters (including effectiveness, duration of workout, frequency of workout, cost of equipment, space of equipment, gym availability, etc.). If anyone is interested in some free one-on-one help, post a request for your situation, budget, and needs and I'll write up some basic recommendations.

I don't have much in the ways of credentials, except that I've coached myself for all of my training and have made decent progress (from sedentary fat weakling to deadlifting 415lbs at 190lb BW and 13%BF). I've helped several friends, all of which have made pretty good progress, and I've been able to tailor workouts to specific situations.

Comment by ephion on Open thread, 24-30 March 2014 · 2014-03-31T17:12:52.977Z · LW · GW

If she wants to get bigger, then I'd get her started with Greyskull LP. It's a fairly basic beginner weight lifting program that, when combined with a caloric surplus, will get good results for size and strength. There isn't much work involved (just three sets on 2-3 exercises; doing more is counterproductive for beginners) so it won't use as much energy as a cardio or circuit intensive routine.

A couple of protein shakes with milk/almond milk are enough to get a caloric surplus going. You only need 250-500 extra calories to make good gains, and you can easily get that with a shake or two.

Comment by ephion on Open thread, 24-30 March 2014 · 2014-03-27T15:37:16.233Z · LW · GW

I've seen a lot of discontent on LW about exercise. I know enough about physical training to provide very basic coaching and instruction to get people started, and I can optimize a plan for a variety of parameters (including effectiveness, duration of workout, frequency of workout, cost of equipment, space of equipment, gym availability, etc.). If anyone is interested in some free one-on-one help, post a request for your situation, budget, and needs and I'll write up some basic recommendations.

I don't have much in the ways of credentials, except that I've coached myself for all of my training and have made decent progress (from sedentary fat weakling to deadlifting 415lbs at 190lb BW and 13%BF). I've helped several friends, all of which have made pretty good progress, and I've been able to tailor workouts to specific situations.

Comment by ephion on Group Rationality Diary, March 16-31 · 2014-03-27T15:15:52.051Z · LW · GW

I've had similar objections in the past. What helped me overcome that was to think about it like I was "going undercover" and "behind enemy lines" to steal their secrets and techniques to use against them. I was going to get strong, yes -- but I was going to do awesome stuff with my strength, not lame stuff.

As Nornagest put, I totally had the geek mentality of "Physicality is for jocks/oppressors!!" Eventually I realized that they were winning on a lot of important levels, and I was avoiding successful methodologies because they were being used by The Enemy. This was needlessly sabotaging my own success.

Even now, the weight lifting communities tend to be extremely irrational, misogynistic, homophobic, and otherwise problematic, and for that reason I'm not totally OK with identifying as a weightlifter, since that's how most people associate it. However, there are groups of non-problematic weightlifters, and I find that identifying with that crowd is pretty cool.

Comment by ephion on Group Rationality Diary, March 16-31 · 2014-03-27T15:06:47.710Z · LW · GW

Adjustable dumbbells are a possible solution. Especially plate loaded handles. I purchased this dumbbell set and expanded it with additional 1.25lb, 10lb, and 25lb plates. I can now load up to 125lbs on a dumbbell, with the limiting factor being the length of the handle. I'm looking to acquire some 20" handles which should last me for years.

The popular novice programs have optimized the details for progress and effectiveness. The general principles of compound movements, consistency, progressive overload, and gradual changes can be applied to any amount of equipment. Assuming just the dumbbells listed above, you can do:

  • Day 1:
  • Goblet Squats (progress to single-leg if the weight gets too light)
  • Overhead Press
  • Romanian Deadlifts (progress to single-leg if the weight gets too light)
  • Day 2:
  • Goblet Squats
  • Floor press
  • Rows

Where progressing up in weight isn't an option, progressing up in reps is.

Comment by ephion on What legal ways do people make a profit that produce the largest net loss in utility? · 2014-03-25T20:26:52.907Z · LW · GW

They are incredibly damaging to the environment and health of consumers.

Comment by ephion on Discovering Your Secretly Secret Sensory Experiences · 2014-03-20T21:17:13.146Z · LW · GW

Huh. I'd describe myself as optimistic, empathetic, and handling stress well, but I am terrible at understanding speech in noisy environment.s

Comment by ephion on Group Rationality Diary, March 1-15 · 2014-03-04T18:19:15.061Z · LW · GW

What's your lifting program?

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-03-03T18:09:34.344Z · LW · GW

Storage isn't the real problem. You need, for example, a floor which will survive 300+ lbs of steel dropped onto it from more than six feet.

Unless you're doing olympic weightlifting (at which point you'd be using rubber bumper plates), you'll need to drop weights from hip height at most. Any weight you can overhead press, you can safely lower slowly to the ground. A 300lb deadlift will have two 150lb contacts with the floor -- if your floor isn't built to withstand 150lbs of force (an average person jumping), then it's not fit to live on.

Lifting weights without a spotter or a rack is risky, especially for beginners.

For the bench press or squat, yes. For the deadlift, overhead press, and row, no. In the deadlift and row, the weight is never over you, and in the event of failure, dropping it is simple and easy. For the overhead press, a failed weight is still light compared to a person's ability to control it to the ground. Furthermore, you should almost never be training to the point of failure if your goal is strength.

Weightlifters keep on saying that, but I see no sense in this. Why in the world, say, an overhead press is a "fundamental movement"?

In an overhead press, you 1) use your shoulders and triceps to move the weight up, 2) use your abs and back to stabilize your torso, 3) use your legs to balance yourself and stay in line, 4) brace your entire body to transmit force from the floor to your hands. Increasing the weight used increases the demand placed upon the entire body to develop strength.

How can that not be a fundamental movement? And how could improving these four points not have carry over to other tasks and movements?

If asked about highly general fundamental movements, I'd probably say run, climb, swim.

These are actually fairly specific movement patterns, even though they're rather common. If you only trained running, you would not improve your squat much -- but if you trained squatting, you'd improve your running, jumping, kicking, and any other motion that involves leg or hip extension. If you train climbing, you won't help your swimming much -- but if you train rows or chinups, you'll improve both.

Someone runs across a field -- using leg and hip extension trained in the deadlift and maintaining good posture also developed by the deadlift. They swim across a river -- using pulling muscles developed by the row and pushing muscles developed by the overhead press. They climb up a cliff -- using pulling muscles developed by the row, and push themselves over the ledge using muscles developed by the overhead press.

Sports scientists have very good ideas about what has broad carry over (ie general exercises/movement patterns) and what has limited carry over (ie sport specific movements). The idea is termed specificity. Strength training is very general, which means that it has very broad carry over to other activities. Elite weightlifters have very impressive vertical jump and sprint speeds, despite never training for these events.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-03-03T15:05:37.290Z · LW · GW

I haven't. I use calipers and visual estimation compared to DEXA confirmed images. Calipers, if taken at face value, report me to be at 8-10% BF which is definitely too low. Visually, I currently look like pictures of guys in the 13-15% range, so I add 5% to the calculated result. Even at 16% BF (the highest estimate I can get), I'd be around 7% BF with a BMI of 24.8. That's underfat yet very close to overweight.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-03-03T14:05:19.045Z · LW · GW

You don't need a bench. Overhead pressing (and push pressing for intermediate trainees) is sufficient to develop pushing power, and is a better movement for balanced shoulder strength and posture. If you really want to develop the chest muscles, then you can do floor press for most of the same benefits without purchasing a bench.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-28T16:15:36.616Z · LW · GW

The best metrics are body fat percentage or fat-free mass index.

For what it's worth, even vaguely muscular people are going to blow apart the BMI scale. I'm 5'10" and 190lbs at around 13% body fat. My normal weight range according to BMI is 130-173lbs. If I got down to that without losing any muscle mass, I'd be 5% body fat, which is severely underweight. I was completely sedentary before weight training, and I've only been training powerlifting for 1.5 years with moderate results (ie, I'm not quite as strong as most high school football players).

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-28T15:48:28.723Z · LW · GW

A quick google search indicates that salmon farming has become much better in recent years, and might surpass wild salmon soon. Most of the information on fatty acid profiles that I can find is from 2008, before these advances. The chart on this page indicates that farmed salmon has much more fat with a smaller proportion of omega-3. The total n-3 is close (1.8g farmed vs 1.7g wild), but if most of the extra fat is n-6, then you're not doing much for fixing the 3:6 ratio.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-28T15:34:31.867Z · LW · GW

The main benefits of fish are high protein content and most of the fats are essential omega-3 fatty acids, including the protective EPA and DHA which are mostly unavailable in plant form. The omega-3 fatty acid ALA, which is available in many plans, only gets converted at a rate of 2-10%. If you wanted to get 2g/day of EPA+DHA, you'd need to consume 20-100g of ALA, or 37-186g of flaxseed oil.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-28T15:27:44.811Z · LW · GW

I've downvoted your post due to use of a misleading graphic (EDIT: Downvote retracted after your reply). The graphic is comparing low fat milk, not whole milk, while whole milk has much more nutrition than low fat milk. Additionally, nutrient density can refer to both nutrients/calorie, nutrients/volume, and nutrients/price. All are important measures. Spinach wins on nutrients/calorie, but the other two, not so much.

Whole milk, for example, has 124IU of Vitamin D while the chart only lists 2.4 IU, which approximates the 1% fat figure from Google's nutrition information.

This is what 200 calories of whole milk looks like. This is 200 calories of eggs. This is 100 calories of spinach.

Spinach has little protein (0.9g/serving), while eggs and milk both contain 8g and 7g per serving. This extremely important number is missing from the chart. A cup (30g) of spinach (standard serving size) contains 7 calories, so you'd need to multiply your numbers in the charts by 0.07 to get the expected nutrition per serving of spinach. A serving of whole milk (8oz/244g) is around 148 calories, so we'd need to multipy by 1.48 for a serving:serving comparison. Doing this, the differences in nutrient content are much smaller for most nutrients, and milk 'winning' several of them.

A gallon of whole milk (16 servings) costs ~$3 in my town, and a 10oz bag of spinach (roughly 9 servings) costs ~$2. The price per calorie, per gram protein, and for most micronutrients is smaller for milk than spinach.

Spinach is, of course, great to eat and very healthy. But so are milk and eggs. That they compare so favorably to your chosen food when using more realistic comparisons supports "milk and eggs are nutrient dense."

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-27T18:43:28.081Z · LW · GW

You appear to possess some misconceptions about weight training.

they take space,

A stack of plates with the barbell stored vertically takes 0.2m^2 (~2sqft). Here's a picture of a 330lb set for demonstration; wine bottle and keyboard for scale. I have a lot more equipment than just the barbell, but that's because I do powerlifting and it's a hobby.

are no fun

This is a matter of perspective and preference. I find weight lifting to be extremely fun, especially the sport of powerlifting. Furthermore, it has no bearing on the fact that weight training is the most effective and efficient means of getting stronger.

cannot be combined with useful activity and often encourage too simple movement patterns.

The deadlift, overhead press, and row are three of the most fundamental movements a person can do. In sports science terms, these are highly general movements, which means that increasing strength in these movements will have positive carry over to every other physical pursuit that uses similar movements. Runners use the deadlift to improve their running speed, for example, and throwers use the overhead press to improve their throwing distance. Your assertion that they can't be combined with useful activity is incorrect, as they are useful activity. And they don't encourage too simple movement patterns, as they increase the strength of all movement patterns.

I would agree that weight training can be an ineffective choice, if you limit your exercises to machines and single-joint isolations and use too many sets/reps with too little resistance. If you deadlift, overhead press, and barbell row for 3 sets of 3-5 reps 3 times per week and progressively add weight, then you'll get strong much faster and with less time spent exercising than on any no-equipment routine.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-27T15:45:48.577Z · LW · GW

Why avoid weights? They're the most efficient and effective way to do strength training. Bodyweight exercises are OK but they fairly quickly top out on any benefits, unless you get rings and other gymnastic equipment.

You can get a barbell and 300lbs of weights for under $300 used, with which you can do deadlifts, overhead press, and barbell rows. That's a complete, full body routine of scalable difficulty which will last you for quite some time and requires no other equipment.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-27T15:40:00.156Z · LW · GW

Have you had a seared tuna steak? Cooked properly, it's one of the tastiest things I've ever eaten.

Comment by ephion on Lifestyle interventions to increase longevity · 2014-02-27T15:38:55.850Z · LW · GW

For which respect? Tempeh is a great source of vegetarian protein and micronutrients, as fermentation removes all the nasty stuff from soy. Algae supplements have a good bit of the n-3 fatty acid DHA and EPA, but are extremely expensive with average prices being $60/mo for the recommended 2g EPA/DHA per day. Contrast this with $8/month for fish oil of the same power.