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Comment by loveofdoing (khalil-hughes-1) on OODA your OODA Loop · 2024-10-18T22:51:10.146Z · LW · GW

While I like the intent of this piece and maybe even the goal of feedback-first rationality, it is an incorrect understanding of OODA.

Most importantly, John Boyd did not consider the O-O-D-A Loop a simple cycle.

 

“The OODA Loop is often seen as a simple one-dimensional cycle, where one observes what the enemy is doing, becomes oriented to the enemy action, makes a decision, and then takes an action. This “dumbing down” of a highly complex concept is especially prevalent in the military, where only the explicit part of the Loop is understood. The military believes speed is the most important element of the cycle, that whoever can go through the cycle the fastest will prevail. It is true that speed is crucial, but not the speed of simply cycling through the Loop. By simplifying the cycle in this way, the military can make computer models. But computer models do not take into account the single most important part of the cycle—the orientation phase, especially the implicit part of the orientation phase.”
Robert Coram, Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War

 

The process is not a simple loop. 

Below is a paper Boyd wrote about Destruction and Creation or Deduction and Induction. The idea is that continuous inward attempts to conceptualize the environment without feedback will lead to a mismatch.

https://www.coljohnboyd.com/static/documents/1976-09-03__Boyd_John_R__Destruction_and_Creation.pdf

 

Here is a summary taken from the paper linked below. 


"Although the strategic ideas of John Boyd encompass much more than the well known OODA loop, the loop does provide a concise framework for improving competitive power throughout an organization. Much of this power will be lost, however, by regarding the loop as a simple, sequential, and circular pattern. The one sketch of the OODA loop that Boyd drew in any of his works, however, bears little resemblance to this popular misconception. That one is the key to his entire philosophy of conflict. This paper is intended primarily for those who lead teams in conflict, i.e., zerosum interactions against other groups where independence or even survival itself is at stake. The OODA loop provides them with a comprehensive, if highly condensed, framework for achieving Boyd’s strategic goal, which might be described as “creativity under fire” by their teams. The OODA loop is especially amenable to an ancient pattern of actions that Boyd developed as a fighter pilot and then discovered that it could be documented back to at least the time of Sun Tzu. This paper describes Boyd’s OODA loop and how it assists practitioners in employing this ancient pattern. It ends by suggesting actions organizations can take to improve their operations in the manner suggested by the OODA loop."

https://fhs.brage.unit.no/fhs-xmlui/bitstream/handle/11250/2683228/Boyds%20OODA%20Loop%20Necesse%20vol%205%20nr%201.pdf

 

Also, an image from a Boyd slide is included from that paper.

 

 


The main goal of studying the OODA process should ultimately be to become more creative in whichever competitive domain. This entails explicitly using variety, rapidity, harmony, and initiative to generate uncertainty, confusion, etc, to bring about cognitive collapse in the adversary. Outside of competitive environments, learning to adapt to and maneuver rapidly in arbitrary environments creatively is the essence of OODA.  

Thanks for giving this attention if you've made it this far!

 

Also, below are some more quotes for added context. 
 

“Another important slide shows how the Blitzkrieg—or maneuver conflict—is the perfect tactical application of the OODA Loop. Boyd asks: How does a commander harmonize the numerous individual thrusts of a Blitzkrieg attack and maintain the cohesion of his larger effort? The answer is that the Blitzkrieg is far more than the lightning thrusts that most people think of when they hear the term; rather it was all about high operational tempo and the rapid exploitation of opportunity. In a Blitzkrieg situation, the commander is able to maintain a high operational tempo and rapidly exploit opportunity because he makes sure his subordinates know his intent, his Schwerpunkt. They are not micromanaged, that is, they are not told to seize and hold a certain hill; instead they are given “mission orders.” This means that they understand their commander’s overall intent and they know their job is to do whatever is necessary to fulfill that intent. The subordinate and the commander share a common outlook. They trust each other, and this trust is the glue that holds the apparently formless effort together. Trust emphasizes implicit over explicit communications. Trust is the unifying concept. This gives the subordinate great freedom of action. Trust is an example of a moral force that helps bind groups together in what Boyd called an “organic whole.”
Robert Coram, Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War

 

“Generating a rapidly changing environment--that is, engaging in actively that is so quick it is disorienting and appears uncertain or ambiguous to the enemy--inhibits the adversary's ability to adapt and causes confusion and disorder that, in turn, causes an adversary to overreact or underreact. Boyd closed the briefing by saying the message is that whoever can handle the quickest rate of change is the one who survives.”
Robert Coram, Boyd : The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War

 

“Here Boyd says that to shape the environment, one must manifest four qualities: variety, rapidity, harmony, and initiative. A commander must have a series of responses that can be applied rapidly; he must harmonize his efforts and never be passive. To understand the briefing, one must keep these four qualities in mind.”
Robert Coram, Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War