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Fair enough.
Could you maybe point me to other helpful sites?
What I am look for in particular is a forum / community dealing with not only rationality but also emotional intelligence / empathy / self reflection / brain debugging / reason vs. emotion in a less theoretical/academic/abstract and more practical way than LW.
What I am looking for is an online step by step guide to rationality that starts from zero and is somewhat easier to access than LW / EY stuff.
I know https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com, but it it's focus is too narrow, and there is no community.
I finally found this:
https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/Z9rLfMjTZ2X376izm/rationality-as-an-ea-cause-area
" the rationality community is still much less than what it could have been. "
This is exactly what I mean and I am looking to talk to people about that - hopefully WITHOUT first having to pass any "is this guy even worth talking to" tests... :-)
Thanks, Marcus.
To make things easy:
Whats the quickest way for me to prove myself?
Why don't you have a little more faith... :-)
I can only suggest you read my older post about Emo Climate Change.
You should be able to find at least 1-2 concepts you can't find anywhere else...
This is the only thing I have online so far.
I can understand your impression, but just point me to anything clearly wrong I wrote... :-)
Will take the time to give you more substantial input...
Bucky, man, you made my day!
Finally someone contributing!
Without your post I was about to commit some "you don't shit where you eat" kind of post here...
I will later address your comments in detail.
For now:
Is LW the only community about rationality?
How about CFAR or EA? I coulnd't find any forums there.
The folks here seem not ready, willing or able to APPLY their wisdom. (No, that's not an applause light, that is sarkasm!)
BTW, rationality in the narrower LW sense is not enough.
I also deal with emotional intelligence. Basically the reason for irrationality is emotions
trumping reason.
Is there any movement with the aim to spread rationality?
Who to talk to? - I mean I can't be the only guy on the planet!
Is there any step by step guide to rationality online?
I know clearerthinking.org but that's not it yet.
Do you maybe know some psychological community / forum?
Do you know "predictably irrational" by Dan Ariely?
I have my own story how i developed a rational mind starting in the 1980s.
Who could be interested in that?
What/who is the spearhead/ figurehead of any rationality and emotional intelligence (which in essence is about the same) movement ????
I am asking because until I found this person/organization I feel like I am this person and that feels weird.
Hope to stay in touch.
Did you realize THIS POST is actually bearing BIGGER AUDIENCE in it's title?
I was refering on this - i wanted to know FOR WHAT PURPOSE the threatstarter
even considered a bigger audience.
You twisted my ideas.
I would hardly ever use such tactics.
I rather wrote so because LW community seems
not to be aware of the possible impact rationality could have on our world
and/or
not ready to share/apply it, ie. DO SOMETHING with it.
In fact, I see a PATTERN in LWs behavior (sic!) towards my contributions.
Sure. LW will remain a rather theoretical/academic community.
What I am looking to find or to create is a new platform outside LW with more practical use and educational character.
The reason I was asking for debugged brains was I already experienced similar negative reception to my posts here. I was hoping to find at least a few guys here that are REALLY free of fallacies, so they would take my request just for what it is, not for what they interpret or assume it is.
I admit, the anticipation of this certain kind of ignorance here made ME not invest too much time into this post, which turned out to be a boomerang. I will be back with more specifics.
But - Isn't this kind of judgement a negative authority fallacy?
And: how to prevent this in the future?
PS: No need to be sorry, thanks for your thoughts.
I wonder what such bad experience might have been?
What could probably happen worst case???
I already experienced what you call "allergic reaction" here.
But isn't that nothing but the outcome of fallacy:
"Just because the guy is not using typical LW language he must have no clue about LW."
This was nothing but an abstract on my concept.
Also, it is not some scientific paper, which I thought i clearly expressed.
You anticipating this appears to me like some fallacy - which I would not expect here.
we are at -14 now and counting...
Has there ever been a threat voted down even more?
The key issue to this i guess is the LW community's behaviour (sic!).
The audience is judging upon their anticipation rather than upon the bare things I wrote.
This is reason enough for me to pu my thoughts into a new threat rather than just
addressing it in a comment of a comment...
Could someone pls explain why this received 12 downvotes?
Well, what's the purpose of a bigger audience?
What is the purpose of LW in the first place?
Folks! What you have here is the explanation of all man made issues and thus a
MANUAL TO SAVING HUMANITY!
THIS is what makes LW (or at least it's content) not only WORTHY but OBLIGED to get a bigger audience!!!
I am passionate for and working on this - who is with me?
Absolutely!
I am currently in the process of deciding what to do first.
My so far conclusion is NOT to go directly for the masses, but to have my content evaluated by the community.
Please be more concrete.
I anticipate ordinary folks to have nothing but holes in hardly any knowledge.
It might be an interesting experiment making such a post (ie. the above motivated but naive, newbie "Hey guys, ..." kinda post) and see the reactions.
As provokative as that may be, it might reveal how debugged fellow rationalist really are...
Thanks, this backfire is not something I have yet anticipatet.
That's why I will constantly have my stuff reviewed by you folks here. :-)
Maybe you didnt get me:
Because of my yearlong experience talking to average people I KNOW how to approach them and how not. (I.e. "You fools, I will lead you out of darkness" is wrong "Did you ever wonder..." is better).
Why would you even believe that running against walls could be a considerable tactic?
OK, so I will focus to theory here on LW.
>>> You wouldn't want to write an equivalent of: "Hey guys, ...
Well, what would be the problem in that?
The only problem in writing something redundant (here or anywhere) would be that I might lose credit from some readers (worst case also from readers of their responses) and they might respond in a way that might frustrate and / or disencourage me.
But since we are all debugged here (are you?), this wouldnt happen, so whats the big deal? :-)
>>> more sophisticated and friendly audiences
Hmmm, i can't help feeling ANYWHERE else but LW would be a more friendly audience.
I even got 1 downvote here...
Trust me, I have decades of 1st hands on experience on running against the walls of concrete minds.
That is why I a totally aware of the challenges, that's what my post is about.
>>> Seems like you are looking for an excuse to create your own website.
Wow! I didn't see that one comin'...
I rather expected someone "accusing" me of looking for an excuse NOT to create my own website. :-)
I know I dont need to ask for permission.
But knowing whats going on might help not to write redundant stuff or simply help me focus on the right stuff etc.
>>> you may have been reading some stuff into drethelin's comment that they didn't necessarily imply
True: Not necessarily - but possibly. :-)
Well, I think your rationalistic approach is not appropriate here.
While I basically agree that most or even all issues/questions can be best answered rationally, your quest seems to lack considering emotional aspects.
Strictly rationalistic, you might even actually prioritize and weight your above criteria, like by assigning points from 0 to 10 and then summing up the score for various properties or locations.
I can't help but feeling there would be something fundamentally wrong about such approach.
Did you consider the following:
- Where do I feel at home?
- Is living in a house really the best option, or are 2-3 apartments maybe an alternative
- Many people want to live in a quiet, safe area in walking range of cafes etc. Many people also want a Porsche. But does it make them happy? Or will they get used to the Porsche sooner or later only to feel they now need that Lambo?
" I'm looking for input like: direct recommendations for specific cities... "
Looking for specific input seems biased.
What seems interesting is that you can imagine actually having friends LIVING in your house or even doing something like a hotel. Most people would live in a house with their family.
Only you can know how strong this idea is. Doing so could really be a fulfilling thing, but you only mention it on the side, so I kinda doubt you are determined enough.
" I like the idea of being a locally medium-to-high status person ...."
Well, rationally, what does that have to do with your future home?
Either you are that person or not. NOT moving to some city just because the already are such people is 100% wrong.
" I like the idea of being involved in Big, World-changing Things, despite being very lazy. "
Well, do you really mean lazy or depressed/unmotivated?
Anyway, there is a lot in your post that makes me guess you first have to review your mindset.
I could write a lot here guessing into the blue, but if my comment (hopefully) rang any bell with you, feel free to contact me.
Take care, Marcus.