0 comments
Comments sorted by top scores.
comment by Steven Byrnes (steve2152) · 2020-11-26T12:01:50.483Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I couldn't be bothered to buy the rubber thing but I am finding that a pair of rubber bands improves both my surgical masks and my K95s (which otherwise don't fit me well). Thanks for the tip!
comment by ChristianKl · 2020-11-18T14:28:26.899Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Did you do any smell testing to see whether the mask fits in a way that makes you unable to smell things?
Replies from: billmei↑ comment by billmei · 2020-11-18T16:21:15.465Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I did the check as recommended in this infographic, which does not involve a smell test. Not sure how I would get the proper materials and setup to do a smell test at home—some smells are gasses which presumably would not be blocked by any mask? You would have to find some kind of material that generates smelly aerosols at precisely the right size.
Replies from: ChristianKl↑ comment by ChristianKl · 2020-11-18T16:39:53.821Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
https://success.ada.org/~/media/CPS/Files/COVID/Conducting_Respirator_Fit_Tests_And_Seal_Checks.pdf suggests a few ways to do proper smell tests.
The one with saccharin which leaves a sweet taste in your mouth without seal seems to be the easiest to do at home.
I personally did some testing with cider vinegar and found that a FFT3 mask reduces the smell when properly fitted.
comment by Andrew Partridge · 2021-09-03T02:01:38.004Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I live in NSW Australia and we are currently (3 Sep 2021) battling Delta strain, which has a Reff of 1.3 even during a strict lockdown, curfews, and a reasonably high vaccination rate.
It’s got to be the masks, right? People are going shopping, wearing whatever mask they have, and getting infected because someone infected with covid is in the store and also not properly masked. Medical workers in full PPE are getting infected - how leakproof are their masks, really?
Our Government should do some trials to find the best inexpensive masks or mask-brace combination for getting Reff below 1.0, and then just give everyone a box of them to be used when they need to go out during the lockdown. With Reff below 1.0 we would eliminate covid sooner or later, and would aim to keep it that way.
I was inspired by this article to solve my own leaky mask problem. I have a nice 3M respirator mask with two discrete filters that seals really well to my face but I haven’t been able to use it during the pandemic because it has an exhaust valve. It only took ten minutes to remove the little round valve flaps that stop exhaled air going through the filters, and to put duct tape over the inside of the central exhaled air valve.
comment by BB6 (barbarabrezna@gmail.com) · 2021-01-19T16:17:00.002Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I cannot reproduce your demonstration of electrostatic charge, even if I am using masks or respirators, which I believe not to be fake. Please, what are the particles ? Paper ? Cut paper napkins ? What are they laying on ?
Replies from: billmeicomment by Ofer (ofer) · 2020-11-18T19:07:53.249Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert.
It turns out that surgical masks are made of the exact same material as N95s! They both filter 95% of 0.1μm particles.
I very much doubt this claim, and the link you provide in support of it is to a website that you later suggest is being run by people that seem to you "a bit sketchy". I also doubt that the way you propose for checking the "electrostatic effect" (on large pieces of paper?) can provide strong evidence that the mask's material provides filtering protection that is similar to a N95 respirator.
[EDIT: sorry, you later cite the Rengasamy et al. paper that seems to support that claim to some extent; I'm not sure how much to update on it.]
As a civilian you can’t purchase an N95 anywhere at any price.
This claim is false (see this [EA(p) · GW(p)] thread).
BTW: since presumably surgical masks are not intended to be used in this way, I would also worry about potential risks of breathing too little oxygen or too much carbon dioxide.
BTW2: Maybe it's worth looking into using your approach for "upgrading" cheap KN95 respirators rather than surgical masks (I suspect that cheap KN95 respirators tend to not seal well due to a lack of nose clip and due to bands that go around the ears rather than around the head). Though the above concern regarding oxygen/carbon dioxide might still apply.
[EDIT: BTW3: for a comparison between cloth masks, surgical masks and N95 respirators see this page on examine.com.]
Replies from: robert-miles, billmei↑ comment by Robert Miles (robert-miles) · 2020-11-26T11:34:25.712Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
My understanding is the CO2/O2 thing is almost completely a red herring/non-issue. Firstly of course any mask or filter is going to let through O2 and CO2 molecules completely indiscriminately since they're far too small to be affected. And secondly you always breathe in some of the air you breathed out, since it's still in your airways. In the worst case, adding a mask would increase this re-inhaled amount by the volume of the space between the mask and the face, which is pretty small. So breathing through a mask is like breathing through a tube with the same inner volume as the inside-mask space - a regular swimming snorkel results in much more re-breathing, and is also not a problem. It wouldn't surprise me if some people are re-breathing more without a mask than others do with a mask, just because they have a longer neck or larger airways.
Replies from: ofer↑ comment by Ofer (ofer) · 2020-11-26T20:17:02.529Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
My uneducated concern is that masks that are not intended to seal may not allow air to flow sufficiently easily through their "filter" part (without it turning out to be a problem during "normal" use due the air easily flowing through the edges). Re volume argument, maybe we also need to consider the volume of the air we inhale each time (and whether that volume becomes smaller if something is partially blocking the air flow, and whether we notice).
↑ comment by billmei · 2020-11-18T22:00:05.862Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Thanks for the reply; I too am not expert enough to quantify precisely how effective surgical masks are compared to N95s, I can only look up research articles which seem to suggest that they are roughly similar, to a first degree approximation. I wrote this post because it seemed like an easy-to-follow DIY guide to making a mask brace is a low hanging fruit idea that has obvious benefits but hasn't been widely disseminated yet.
I think the keyword is "civilian", in the sense that yes you could technically buy an N95 from the black market after sleuthing around and avoiding counterfeits, but I doubt that this is approachable for the average person. I followed your tip to just google it but every result in the first 2 pages for me was either out of stock or outdated (e.g. a blog from 2018 that hasn't been updated). This may depend on what region you live in, as availability may be more plentiful in some locales, and my SERP is different from yours.
Thanks for the link to examine.com, I like that the article is both comprehensive and nuanced.
Replies from: ofer↑ comment by Ofer (ofer) · 2020-11-19T15:05:16.976Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I followed your tip to just google it but every result in the first 2 pages for me was either out of stock or outdated
As I said in that thread, I was not recommending the mentioned google search as a way to buy respirators, and one's best options (which may include buying from a well-known retailer and having a mechanism to substantially lower risks from counterfeit respirators) may depend on where they live.