Giving Up On T-Mobile
post by jefftk (jkaufman)
I'd been thinking of moving away from T-Mobile since their
depressingly cavalier account messaging a few weeks ago where
what were effectively "your account is in the process of being hacked"
notifications as part of migrating to a new billing system.
This billing migration continues to be poorly handled, and after a
series of conflicting messages I no longer have service:
2021-11-02: As part of your new My T-Mobile experience, your Autopay
feature needs to be re-setup prior to your next bill cycle date. To
avoid a service interruption, please login and re-setup your Autopay
2021-11-18: Please refill your plan within the next 3 days to ensure
continued T-Mobile service at [url] or press 611. Please
disregard if you've already paid for next month's service.
I tried to log in and update my billing information. The service was
extremely slow and it timed out after I entered my credit card
information. I thought I probably hadn't successfully enabled
autopay, but I wasn't sure.
2021-11-18: Your T-Mobile plan will renew in two days via AutoPay
with an estimated charge of $30.00 before taxes/fees/surcharges. Thank
you for being a T-Mobile customer.
I took this to mean that my credit card change had actually gone
through, and I was all set.
2021-11-20: Please refill your plan before 12:01am tomorrow to ensure
continued T-Mobile service by visiting [url] or dial
611. Please disregard if you've already paid for next month's service.
I received three of these, one after another. This was surprising, but
it did say to disregard if I had already paid. I thought there was a
good chance that my service was going to be cancelled, but at this
point I was grumpy enough that I figured that if they cancelled my
service that was fine with me.
2021-11-20: Auto-Pay is cancelled. Your next T-Mobile plan payment
will not be paid automatically. To re-enroll, call *233 or visit
2021-11-21: Your T-Mobile service has been suspended. To restore
service, contact your Primary Account Holder or make a payment at
None of this is that bad, but it was frustrating enough that I decided
to move away. I care about cost, hassle, and the chance that my
account is stolen, and Google Fi (disclosure: I work for Google,
speaking only for myself) seemed like a solid option. The marginal
cost was $20/month, since Julia already uses it. She's had a good
experience, and Google is probably the company I trust most for
security. I've now switched; it was simple, didn't need a SIM, and my
phone number ported quickly.
The only wart so far is that since I ported my number from Google
Voice (I had been using GV without giving out my underlying number) I
wasn't able to read my old messages in GV until I signed up for a new
number. The way I would have liked this to work would be for my GV
history to move over to Fi, and I'm sad they didn't set that up.
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comment by ChristianKl ·
2021-11-24T12:40:46.570Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
What happens when one's Google account gets banned because someone algorithm feels like there's a content violation?
The prospect of getting locked out of mobile phone service and my email at the same time seems frightening.Replies from: jkaufman
↑ comment by jefftk (jkaufman) ·
2021-11-24T14:58:13.948Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
This seems very unlikely to me? While I've seen a few news stories about people being locked out (a) they're rare enough to be news when they happen and (b) there are typically other factors, with borderline or abusive behaviors I wouldn't do.
(Additionally, I'm less worried about this because I work for Google and know a lot of other people that work for Google, but that isn't a factor for most people considering this)
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↑ comment by ChristianKl ·
2021-11-24T19:53:10.944Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Stories about banned Google accounts look like:
Here is an example of how this can go awry. A slew of YouTube users had their Google accounts (not just their YouTube accounts) banned for “spamming” a video feed with Emojis. However, the YouTuber who created the video in question encouraged users to do just that, so Google didn’t have to go so far as to perform full account bans. To make matters worse, it took Google days before it reactivated everyone’s accounts. Even then, some experienced data loss.
Official Google Docs abuse policy does seem to indicate that banning people account for wrong speech is plausible:
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↑ comment by jefftk (jkaufman) ·
2021-11-24T22:20:15.247Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
In the YouTube emoji case, people were doing something that looked abusive to the automated system, and then the manual review got it wrong. Then, after additional review, YouTube acknowledged they got it wrong, put things back, and said they were going to work on making this less likely in the future. This doesn't seem like enough of a risk to care?
In the case of the TOS, there are all sorts of worrying things in most TOS. In general, I don't think this sort of thing is worth worrying about unless the company is actually doing something.