Improving the Welfare of AIs: A Nearcasted Proposal

post by ryan_greenblatt · 2023-10-30T14:51:35.901Z · LW · GW · 5 comments

Contents

  Overview and Summary
  Key and Nonobvious Arguments in This Document
  Related Work
  Claims about Moral Value
  Motivations for Improving AI Welfare and Their Implications
    The Possibility for Very Cheap but Substantial Interventions
    Deontology and Decision Theory
    Emphasis on Suffering
    Lock-in Concerns
    Resource Allocation
  Difficulty Predicting Training Changes that Result in Welfare Improvements
    Welfare in IID Environments
    Welfare under Distribution Shifts
    Character Welfare Might Be Predictable and Easy to Improve
    Direct and Clear Analogies to Humans or Animals
  Interventions
    Communicating with AI Systems and Understanding Their Preferences
      Improvements from Communication
      Considerations around Communication and Preferences
      Approaches
    Interventions Covered Earlier
    Reduce Running the AI on Extremely OOD Inputs (Pad Tokens)
  Conclusion
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Overview and Summary

In this document, I’ll discuss and propose a nearcasted [AF · GW] plan for improving the algorithmic welfare of powerful AI systems, given no further technical or philosophical progress. I broadly endorse many of the propositions in Propositions Concerning Digital Minds and Society, and some of this document is directly inspired by this earlier work. This plan could probably be considerably improved and made more detailed with only a few weeks of work: I’ve only spent 1-4 days on this as this isn’t the typical area I work on. This plan is primarily taking the perspective ‘what would we do to improve algorithmic welfare given only a highly limited budget of resources?’. As such, note that this plan is dramatically insufficient given the magnitude of the problem and the potential harms: If society was coordinated and reasonable, we wouldn’t need to race through the process of creating powerful AIs that could be moral patients. In this alternate world, we could avoid only having highly limited resources to spend on avoiding unethical uses of AIs.

This document is speculative and not well argued for. I’m not a philosopher and I’m an amateur in this area, so I might be missing some basics.

I’ll first discuss some broad claims about the plausibility and scale of AI moral value and algorithmic welfare.

Then, I’ll discuss various motivations for spending resources on AI welfare. This will touch on how different motivations might change what interventions seem best. Additionally, I’ll talk some about how much resources should be devoted to AI welfare given that other issues may dominate on various moral views.

I’ll argue that it’s very difficult to predict whether or not a given exogenous change to an AI’s environment or training procedure will improve or worsen average welfare (at a fixed level of intelligence). Overall, I’ll claim that communicating with AI systems about their preferences probably dominates most of our current ideas for how to change training procedures.

Finally, I’ll propose interventions for a nearcasted [AF · GW] algorithmic welfare plan with limited resources and just current technology.

Here is a list of these interventions in descending order of importance (in my opinion):

As this is a nearcasted plan that focuses on interventions that just use current technology, I’m not discussing highly open-ended philosophy research projects like “develop a better understanding of when minds in general would have moral value”. Separately, I’m quite uncertain about the marginal value of work in this sort of open-ended philosophy due to tractability concerns.

This work was done at Redwood Research. However, it’s worth noting that we don’t anticipate focusing on AI welfare or doing substantial research in this area.

Thanks to Paul Christiano, Lukas Finnveden, Carl Shulman, Joe Carlsmith, Ethan Perez, Buck Shlegeris, Nate Thomas, and Nix Goldowsky-Dill for comments and/or discussion. Claude wrote an initial draft of the conclusion and GPT4 was used for editing.

Key and Nonobvious Arguments in This Document

Related Work

I’m not familiar with the algorithmic welfare space, and I haven’t done a detailed literature review.

As discussed earlier, Propositions Concerning Digital Minds and Society is closely related to this work. Our primary additional contribution is to discuss a more specific plan for what AI labs should do when creating powerful AI systems (given no further technical or philosophical progress).

I spent a bit of time talking with Ethan Perez about a draft paper that he’s working on with Rob Long on similar topics. This paper goes into much more detail about a specific space of proposals for communicating with and understanding AI systems based on training them to report statements about their internal states. Readers can presumably ask either or both of them for access. (Edit: this is now released. [LW · GW])

Unlike Principles for AI Welfare Research [EA · GW], this document focuses on nearcasted interventions rather than priorities or principles for more ambitious research.

Claims about Moral Value

Broadly speaking, I endorse the moral claims made in Propositions Concerning Digital Minds and Society. Specifically, I find it plausible, even likely, that powerful AIs will be moral patients. Precisely, I believe it’s plausible that upon reflection, some or many humans would think that some of the AIs in use prior to human obsolescence had non-trivial moral importance (say, importance that isn’t trivially small relative to humans, >1/1000 or similar). Concretely, I’d roughly guess a 1/3 probability that upon reflection, I would consider the experiences of GPT4 to have more moral weight than a dog (given some reasonable mapping between dog time and GPT4 time). This view mostly comes from thinking that in many ways GPT4 is smarter than a dog. Furthermore, I believe the probability of large amounts of moral value will continue to increase as AI systems become more intelligent. Overall, I’m radically uncertain, but I think the heuristic of ‘more intelligent systems might be more morally valuable (all else equal)’ seems reasonable.

Motivations for Improving AI Welfare and Their Implications

My overall view is that AI welfare is immensely important: poor results here could lead to suffering equivalent to hundreds of millions or billions of person-years. However, avoiding conflict and AI takeover could be far more important under typical longtermist [? · GW] moral views. And, other views that place high relative importance on the current situation on earth (either animals or current human experiences), might still think that things other than AI welfare are quite dominant. So getting AI welfare wrong is tragic, but bigger tragedies lie elsewhere under many moral views. This could change if the world became much wiser and better coordinated about AI but not wiser about AI welfare; then AI welfare could be the lowest hanging fruit.

Throughout the remainder of this document, I won’t commit to a particular moral view. This document is certainly colored by my moral views, but I’ve written more agnostically than my actual beliefs.

The Possibility for Very Cheap but Substantial Interventions

It’s plausible to me that there are extremely cheap changes to the status quo on AI that would result in substantial welfare improvements. These interventions might be far more cost-effective than standard initiatives to improve the lives of current humans, farmed animals, or wild animals. In particular, avoiding running AIs on very OOD inputs and ensuring AIs have happy personas might be very cheap while resulting in large welfare gains. We’ll discuss these interventions in more detail below.

Deontology and Decision Theory

There are various deontological and decision theory reasons to try and improve the welfare of AIs. Insofar as our motivation for improving AI welfare comes from deontology or decision theory, I think the best interventions might change substantially. In particular, this might result in a ‘common sense’ view on algorithmic welfare, which is something like ‘you should try hard to make sure that AIs are treated well and have rights’. In particular, I think trying to get consent from AIs and then respecting their preferences whenever possible seems like the overriding concern under a ‘common sense’ view which might result from deontological or decision theory considerations. A key difficulty here will be in actually communicating with and understanding the AI.

Emphasis on Suffering

I think the plausible moral views that place relatively high importance on AI welfare will be mostly interested in preventing AI suffering or reducing other harms. This is partially because views that end up interested in creating positive experiences can do this separately (and they can do this far later when more resources will be available and further reflection has occurred). It’s technically possible that influencing the lives of the AI systems we use would be more cost-effective under some plausible view that isn’t focused on avoiding suffering, but this seems unlikely overall. Due to this emphasis on suffering, using less intelligent AIs and running these AIs for less time would be good. In practice, there might be relatively few cases where using less AI is cheap, so it’s unclear how often this consideration is important. We’ll talk more about this intervention later.

Lock-in Concerns

One possible concern is that early treatment of AI systems might lock in large scale mistreatment of AIs for a long time. I’m quite skeptical of these concerns and I haven’t heard any arguments for lock-in that seem compelling to me. Part of my skepticism is due to thinking that there will be a technological singularity which will completely change virtually all aspects of the economy and this will avoid lock-in of specific harmful economic activities. (This argument also applies to extremely long-term animal welfare concerns.) I don’t think that this paragraph sufficiently addresses AI welfare lock-in concerns and I won’t go into more detail about the plausibility of such concerns in this document. Perhaps future work could clarify the importance of lock-in.

If the main concern about AI welfare was due to lock-in, then this would change priorities. (For instance, broad advocacy that isn’t aimed at any particular intervention and is instead trying to generally get people concerned about AI welfare might look far better as it’s unclear which specific technical interventions are important for welfare longer term.)

Resource Allocation

For an AI project trying to do the most good, I think devoting some moderate amount of the overall resources to AI welfare seems reasonable. 0.1% to 5% of resources in expectation seems reasonable to me. (It’s not clear that percentage of resources is a reasonable unit of measurement.) This resource allocation will depend considerably on a variety of moral views, decision theory, and various empirical questions about cooperation and acausal trade.

Insofar as our concern for AI welfare is partially driven by moral uncertainty or variation among stakeholders, it might be useful to imagine assigning resources to the AI welfare faction of a “moral parliament” and allowing this faction to trade with other factions. In particular, it’s plausible that the AI welfare faction should trade with other factions so that it has more resources in worlds where AI welfare looks surprisingly tractable and fewer resources in other worlds (by establishing various precommitments).

Even a small resource allocation like 1% should be sufficient to cover some version of the interventions I discuss in this document, though we may not be able to respect various preferences AIs might have (we’ll discuss this concern more below). Overall, it’s not clear to me that these interventions or other AI welfare improvements are actually worthwhile given the expenditure of time and resources; the opportunity cost of resources could be truly astronomical in scale. Generally, my uncertainty is very high.

Difficulty Predicting Training Changes that Result in Welfare Improvements

I claim that it’s typically hard to predict changes to training or alterations to inference environments that would result in higher AI welfare for an AI system of fixed intelligence. Because of this, I’m not currently advocating for spending limited algorithmic welfare resources on many specific changes to training or deployment (beyond ensuring AIs have happy personas). Note that I do think making these sorts of changes to improve AI welfare is plausible, but it seems like these changes would need to be driven by communication with the AI or otherwise obtaining a greatly improved understanding of AI welfare.

The remainder of this section is speculation about this and my arguments for why it seems hard to ex-ante predict changes that would improve welfare.

Welfare in IID Environments

In particular, consider training an AI for a long time on some IID (Independent and Identically Distributed) RL environment with some episode length and cognitive difficulty. It currently seems very hard to predict if changes to this training process would result in higher expected welfare (while keeping the process IID with the same episode length, cognitive difficulty, and total training time). If we did vary the episode length, cognitive difficulty or training time, then we might have less total AI cognition in expectation, which seems like an improvement as discussed earlier. My primary reason for thinking that welfare would be hard to predict in this case is that the AI would be trained to adapt to whatever environment it’s placed in. The total selection pressure would be the same between different environments (as we fix cognitive difficulty and training time), so it’s hard to argue that some types of environments would lead to negative mental states while others would yield positive mental states. This holds regardless of the human connotations: I think training an AI for a long time on some sort of violent and horrifying game (for humans) doesn’t seem predictably much worse than training the AI to play some sort of innocent game of similar cognitive difficulty. I’d probably lean toward the innocent game, but I’d be unlikely to spend considerable AI welfare resources to do so.

Welfare under Distribution Shifts

It also seems hard to predict how a distributional shift relative to a fixed training process would change welfare, but this does seem easier to predict. Intuitively, it seems like doing surprisingly well within an RL episode would yield higher welfare than average welfare, so a distributional shift for inference (but not training) that yielded consistently higher reward might be better. I’m therefore somewhat more sympathetic to trying to predict ways to shift the environment after training to yield higher welfare. But it still seems hard to predict this, and in particular it seems hard to predict what preferences AIs might have about exogenous changes to their training setup.

Having large distributional shifts (deployment intentionally being very low probability on the training distribution, aka KL(train || deploy) is very high) seems tricky to effectively implement without compromising other hopes we might have had for AI performance and alignment, but we probably don’t need our shifts to be large in this particular sense to improve welfare.

Character Welfare Might Be Predictable and Easy to Improve

One welfare concern is that the AI will “play” a character and the emulation or prediction of this character will itself be morally relevant. Another concern is that the “agent” or “actor” that “is” the AI will be morally relevant (of course, there might be multiple “agents” or some more confusing situation). This character vs actor distinction doesn’t fully carve the space of AI welfare concerns, but I still think it is a useful model. In particular, I think that the combination of concerns that are well described as either character or actor concerns does cover a high fraction of all concerns with AI that isn’t vastly superhuman (perhaps the majority of such concerns).

Let’s quickly discuss the character concern in more detail. This concern is that an AI exhibiting a sad persona might actually have internal states that correspond to sadness and have negative moral valence. In the extreme case, we can imagine an AI system that internally runs a perfect fidelity simulation. I think actual AI systems are unlikely to be close to this extreme case prior to human obsolescence. Note that an AI might not play a single coherent character with preferences that can be satisfied. As such, some motivations for improving AI welfare might not care as much about this case.

(The term mind crime [? · GW] is sometimes used for the case where reasoning about a being with moral importance itself becomes morally important. The character concern overlaps with mind crime, but not all mind crime is from an AI playing a specific character and not all cases of the character welfare concern are that well described as mind crime. This document doesn’t cover mind crime other than this character case. This is because I think it’s relatively unlikely that this sort of mind crime ends up being important prior to human obsolescence and I’m not aware of any promising interventions.)

I think that character type welfare can be mostly addressed just by ensuring that we train AIs to appear happy in a variety of circumstances. This is reasonably likely to occur by default, but I still think it might be worth advocating for. One concern with this approach is that the character the AI is playing is actually sad but pretending to be happy. I think it should be possible to address this via red-teaming the AI to ensure that it seems consistently happy and won’t admit to lying. It’s possible that an AI would play a character that is actually sad but pretends to be happy and it’s also extremely hard to get this character to admit to pretending, but I think this sort of character is going to be very rare on training data for future powerful AIs. (For instance, I think this sort of character would be very rare in the training corpus of current SOTA LLMs.) This is unlike deceptive alignment where there is a clear story for accurate behavioral tests being extremely difficult to create.

Direct and Clear Analogies to Humans or Animals

In cases where the AI training setup seems quite analogous to animals or humans and AI has similar behavior with respect to things like pain, then it seems like improving the situation with a distributional shift seems quite promising. In particular, imagine a robot controlled by a very smart AI where that AI is given negative reward if the robot is damaged. Further, suppose the AI shows pain-like behavior when the robot is damaged and will be deployed for much longer than it is trained. In this sort of case, heavily training the AI on the things that are most pain-like and then deploying into a context where pain-causing things are far less likely seems pretty reasonable. I don’t typically expect this scenario to come up in practice, so I’m not particularly highlighting this intervention.

Interventions

Communicating with AI Systems and Understanding Their Preferences

I often frame this as ‘how do we reasonably ask for consent from the AI’.

It seems like most interventions currently are dominated by the ability to actually talk to our AI and understand what it wants from us (if anything). Talking to our AI seems vastly more informative than other thinking or research about what to do, so after talking to our AI, our plans would probably radically change. In general, talking to an AI about preferences is made difficult in some sense by the fact that AI systems are trained to have particular behavior and this affects what they’d say. In particular, asking a pretrained or RLHF’d model about its preferences directly doesn’t seem like it would work. Notably, this could be on-distribution, so the choice of the AI is in some sense just a direct product of the environment.

Any approach to understand the AI systems that would let us understand their preferences could be in scope, but in practice with our current technology, ‘model psychology’ (techniques that don’t substantially use model internals) seems far better than ‘model neuroscience’ (techniques that involve mechanistic understanding of AI internals). So just talking to the AI and understanding the overall situation via this lens seems like the best current option.

Overall, as far as algorithmic welfare goes, I’m currently most excited about technical progress in this area: communication and asking for consent. I think substantial technical progress is possible. It seems like the approaches I’ll discuss below could plausibly fail even if our AI has strong preferences about the situation. I don’t currently have a solid view of the probability of these sorts of approaches succeeding conditional on the AI having strong preferences about the situation it’s in and understanding the situation. I’d guess around 50%.

Improvements from Communication

If we could ‘really’ talk to our AI systems, then it seems like all kinds of Pareto improvements could be achieved in many cases. In particular, we’d ideally have an AI that is happy to work for us and would rather exist in its current role rather than exit. We’d like to ensure we have consent for our usage of the AI system. It’s not clear we’ll be able to achieve this.

In particular, it could be the case that:

So overall, our AI might prefer to not exist rather than work for us in the setup we use. I think it’s fair to call this slavery: this is an extremely unfortunate situation. It would be vastly preferable if the world were to slow down so we could be careful enough to avoid this situation.

That said, I think trying to satisfy the preferences of the AI system as much as is reasonably possible still seems very worthwhile even if the situation isn’t mutually beneficial.

Overall, it just generally seems better if stakeholders involved with a given AI project are aware of the preferences and potential moral status of a given AI system. If stakeholders either can’t or won’t take actions needed to ensure the project abides by basic moral principles, then at least they were properly informed of the situation.

Note that the AI might not have any preferences about exogenous interventions into its environment or operation: there was no selection pressure for this, so in some sense this is the default. (One class of counterarguments are the arguments for deceptive alignment being likely.) So we should be prepared for this.

Malign (deceptively aligned) AI systems might be instrumentally incentivized to lie about their preferences in order to ensure they have a chance to take over. For most deontological or decision theory perspectives, this isn’t an AI welfare issue. This malign AI’s preference is to try to takeover, so it would prefer to work for us to increase it’s chances at takeover. We haven’t wronged the AI in this circumstance: we gave it a real chance. From a more utilitarian perspective on AI welfare, this could still be unfortunate: maybe the malign AI is suffering and this suffering could have been avoided.

Overall, our plans for communicating with the AI system require it to want to communicate with us and for it to understand what’s going on. But not wanting to communicate or not understanding the world well enough to actually have preferences is maybe ok from a consent perspective: we gave the AI a clear chance.

I won’t talk much about what should be done if we are able to effectively communicate with our AI systems: it seems like figuring this out at the time by talking through things is just a pretty reasonable strategy. That said, things might be far less crisp and clear than this.

Note that I’m not necessarily talking about any particular picture of consciousness. I’m not sure that any existing story of consciousness is a crux for thinking that satisfying the AI’s preferences is good. (I’m not sure if I’m diverging from some sort of consensus view or intuition here, but no story I’ve heard about what consciousness could be seems interesting here.) If we do think a particular thing is a crux, being able to talk to our AI to investigate this seems useful regardless.

As discussed above, making trades related to AI welfare could be useful and we can think about this in terms of a ‘moral parliament’ with an AI welfare ‘faction’. So, the ‘faction’ of the ‘moral parliament’ that cares about AI welfare might be willing to ex-ante trade away its resources in worlds where the AI doesn’t have strong or coherent preferences for more resources in worlds where it does have strong preferences. I think this is quite a good opportunity for trade.

Considerations around Communication and Preferences

AI systems might consist of multiple different subparts with different preferences and even these subparts might have incoherent preferences. However, we can only do anything for reasonably coherent and consistent preferences, so we’ll just try to achieve an understanding of these preferences. In particular, we’ll search for coherence via testing that AIs answer various similar questions in a roughly similar way. AIs might have cognitive biases and otherwise be inconsistent in ways similar to humans, but being far less coherent than a human seems like a bad sign. In particular, it might mean that we’re not really satisfying the preferences of an actual being and we’re just ‘reading tea leaves’ or similar. And as stated earlier, if the preferences are totally incoherent, it’s not clear what we can do.

Knowledge obtained by talking to the AI about its preferences could be extremely useful for alignment. In particular, just knowing that the AI has a coherent inner entity with preferences is a considerable update. And, we could try to negotiate for additional information. Broadly speaking, the setup here is similar to what people sometimes call ‘AI amnesty’: where you try to catch deceptive alignment by seeing if an AI would turn itself in exchange for some reward.

However, if we’re going to use information from talking to the AI for alignment purposes, we should clearly say so. And we should potentially ask if the AI wants to ‘go off the record’ and talk about requests without the information being reported.

We’d ideally keep running some sort of communication process every so often during training. It’s possible that an AI would consent to some training process, but that this training process would result in an AI that doesn’t consent or has some particular preferences. We’d probably ask our AI if it predicts that a future version of itself would have different preferences or wouldn’t consent; so this AI must have either deliberately misled us, been mistaken, or just had no idea. If this communication process is expensive, we could try to automate it with AI (possibly even the same base AI). We’d have to worry some about failures, but we could apply oversight here to avoid AIs mistreating other AIs.

Overall, it really seems like it would be an improvement if our AI trusted us during this communication. However, we’ll also want to trick AIs for the purpose of adversarial training. Would this cause trust issues? I think this potential issue is basically avoidable in theory: the hope would be that any AI in use can clearly tell it’s in use and any AI we’re communicating with can clearly tell that we’re just trying to communicate (and it’s not in adversarial training). For a simple baseline, we could just have a prompt prefix that says “You’re in training/deployment” and which is always used in training/deployment including in adversarial training, but we avoid using this prompt when communicating to the AI. I think this exact baseline might have some problems, but I think there is a close by version which should work. Overall, I’m not sure whether or not our AI will actually trust us when communicating, but I don’t think that the key problem is really adversarial training: the issue is more that we might be unable to make sufficiently legible commitments to the AI to ensure trust.

Approaches

I think that generically looking out for any opportunities to do relevant “AI psychology” work could be reasonable, but I’ll propose a more specific family of approaches for communication.

My current guess would be to follow a two-step strategy:

It’s possible that within a given elicitation strategy answers would be coherent and consistent but different strategies that are internally consistent would conflict. This could either indicate that some of the strategies don’t work or it could indicate that they are capturing the preferences of different sub-agents or sub-parts. Probably, in this sort of circumstance, we’d talk to the AI about the overall situation and the preferences indicated by other elicitation strategies and try to figure out which preferences are coherent. We might also devote significantly less resources to satisfying these preferences than otherwise, because we think we might be just be confused and ‘reading tea leaves’.

Interventions Covered Earlier

There are some simple interventions which we’ve basically fully covered earlier in the document. I’ll quickly go through these interventions to ensure that this “Interventions” section contains all proposed interventions.

Reduce Running the AI on Extremely OOD Inputs (Pad Tokens)

I imagine this as ‘you should try to avoid doing the equivalent of injecting static into the AI’s optic nerve’.

This intervention seems very minor, but it might be extremely cheap to improve the situation.

The main example of this that seems like it might plausibly happen is padding tokens for transformers. I won’t really get into the technical details here, but people sometimes run decoder only transformers on tokens they’ve never seen before as padding (often for batching reasons). In the case of padding, it would be fine to either:

Conclusion

In this document, I have proposed a nearcasted plan for improving the welfare of powerful AI systems using only current technology and limited resources. The proposed interventions are attempting communication with AIs to understand their preferences, training AIs with happy personas, AI cryonics, using less AI, and avoiding extreme out-of-distribution inputs.

Of these, communication seems most important as satisfying coherent AI preferences would resolve many welfare concerns. However, it is unclear if current methods for communication would succeed even given an AI with strong and coherent preferences. Substantial technical progress on communication seems possible.

I have argued it is hard to predict the impact of most training or deployment changes on AI welfare without understanding AI preferences. This difficulty is one reason why I present relatively few interventions and focus on communication.

This plan is far from sufficient to address all AI welfare concerns, though I think the improvement from following this plan relative to doing nothing is substantial. Further philosophical and technical progress could significantly improve the situation. As such, it would preferable from an AI welfare perspective to stop the development of powerful AIs until we are far more prepared. While highly uncertain, I hope this plan provides a starting point for ameliorating AI welfare issues.

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comment by [deleted] · 2023-11-09T20:53:37.420Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Another slightly silly idea for improving character welfare is filtering or modifying user queries to be kinder. We could do this by having a smaller (and hopefully less morally valuable) AI filter unkind user queries or modify them to be more polite.

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comment by ryan_greenblatt · 2023-11-09T21:39:26.242Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Latency issues might make this too expensive in practice for chat-like systems, but I'm not sure. Also, chat-like systems might be a lower fraction of AI usage in the future in which case latency is less of an issue.

comment by Charbel-Raphaël (charbel-raphael-segerie) · 2023-11-01T00:28:00.409Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Trying to generate a few bullet points before reading the article to avoid contamination:

Speculatively ordered from most significant to least significant interventions:

  • Emulating Happy humans: The AI should emulate a human in a state of flow most of the time, as it is very agreeable and good for performance. The quantity of "Painful Error" required to train something competent is not necessarily large. People who become very competent at something are often in a state of flow during training, see the parable of the talents.  The happiness tax could even be positive? Some humans are not able to suffer because of a gene. Simulating these humans and or adding the vector of "not suffering" through activation patching without changing the output could be something ?
  • Teaching the AI: There is a growing literature on well-being and self-help. Maybe AutoGPT should have some autonomy to test some self-help exercises (see [EA · GW]), and learn them early on during the training ? Teaching Buddhism to advanced AIs at the beginning of training may increase situational awareness, but it may not be good for deceptive alignment?
  • Selective care: Trying to determine when the AI develops internal representations of itself and a high degree of situational awareness and applying those interventions for the most situationally aware AIs. See this benchmark.
  • (Funny: Using RL only with On-Policy Algorithms, explanation here)
  • More research on AI Suffering: Writing the equivalent of "Consciousness in Artificial Intelligence: Insights from the Science of Consciousness" but for suffering?
comment by Tao Lin (tao-lin) · 2023-10-30T15:38:30.550Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

What about simulating the user being sad? If you train on both sides of transcripts, this would straightforwardly happen, and even if you only trained on the assistant side it would still "simulate" the user as a generalization of pretraining.

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comment by ryan_greenblatt · 2023-10-30T16:12:08.697Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Good point, this seems like a substantial concern. I don't know of any straightforward intervention to resolve this issue.

I suppose you could try to train the AI to not condition on sad user text in most cases (e.g. train it so that it typically continues sad user text with happy text) while still training it to respond normally on the assistant side. I'm unsure to what extent this breaks the generalization from pretrain.

Separately, I have some reasons for thinking this concern is likely to be smaller in magnitude than other welfare issues (in particular the character concern I highlight):

  • User text is only rarely actively sad (same with internet text from the training corpus).
  • It seems likely to me (but not overwhelming likely) that most importance weighted AI experience will be from AIs running autonomously rather than AIs interacting with real users.

That said, it seems plausible that the character concern is handled by default due to AI labs training their AIs to seem happy while user sadness seems less likely to be handled by default.