Beware Social Coping Strategies

post by Lulie · 2018-02-05T04:48:08.219Z · score: 79 (33 votes) · LW · GW · 24 comments

Contents

  Worlds
  Being Thwarted 
  Two Coping Strategies 
    1. Hyper-Attentive Tracking
    2. Avoiding
  Inner World 
      The different sides of you also have that information leak.
      The coping strategies that sabotage the information flow from other people  also sabotage the information flow inside a single mind.
  Secure Solution 
None
24 comments

Worlds

The world is a huge, complex, scary place.

Winter used to freeze us dead, and today lives are still destroyed by natural disasters like tsunami and forest fires. Plagues used to destroy our communities, and people still die from disease every day. We want more power over our surroundings — more intelligent computers, better space rockets — but construction is difficult and often dangerous. As a child, navigating the world directly is also terrifying: sharp objects, distressingly loud sounds, heights, electric shocks, etc. It takes an incredible amount of thought to merely understand and predict the world, let alone to avoid being hurt by it.

The social world is even worse.

Every person is a world in themselves. Every person has their own model of the world, plus their own thoughts and dreams and desires and morality. These may not always be consistent with your own, and that can cause conflicts. Their preferences are not always consistent with the preferences of other people, and conflicts between them can affect you. Individuals can also have conflicts inside themselves, making them unpredictable and confusing.

And it's not just individuals you have to navigate. When people get together, they form groups and institutions. You are born, and find it's not just sharp objects you have to watch out for, but violating codes that were made up by people you've never met. You find yourself in complicated systems with their own logic and rules: government, school, a family structure, religious or political groups. These systems are additional worlds to learn — and they share the frustrating property of individuals that they are not entirely consistent.

Navigating all these worlds, and learning how to follow or evade their rules without getting hurt, is tough.

Being Thwarted

As if that weren't bad enough, the social world has a special property that the natural world doesn't have: adaptive problems. That is, problems which adapt when you try to solve them[1].

In the natural and abstract world, problems are broadly static. If you move a rock out of your way, it stays there. When you realise 1+1=2, it doesn't change its mind and become 3. But if you try to solve a problem in the social world, people are constantly changing the problem landscape. They can intentionally thwart you — using their own creativity to adapt the problem and make it harder for you to solve.

It's like you solve the problem of stubbing your toe on rocks by looking ahead more, and then they notice this and jump out to meet your foot. (So then you make sure to avoid rocky paths... only to find the rocks have formed a committee to ban walking around flat ground.)

How might this look (in lieu of bureaucratic rocks)?

Your parent puts cookies on the top shelf. You solve this using your genius understanding of the natural world: objects can be moved and climbed on — so you push a chair and triumphantly retrieve your cookie. But your parents are like magic cookie-quest homing missiles, which somehow know when you're about to succeed in your quest and then put endless barriers in your way: put them higher, take away your broom, lock them in a cabinet, eat them first.

Then you discover that you can get the cookies if you solve the problem in a different way: doing things that please the parents! Pleasing parents is a difficult problem. They seem to respond well to being adorable — but also to being impressive? Hmm, these seem to push in different directions. They act impressed when you solve this block puzzle, but they smile when you give them a cuddle when they're making that frowny-face. But sometimes they don't smile and instead tell you to go away. Confusing. Okay, so either try ignoring them (maybe they will leave you alone if you don't respond?), or try to understand this parent-moods thing...

Two Coping Strategies

When we go through life, we develop coping strategies for dealing with the reality of all these worlds that are other human beings.

Two common coping strategies for dealing with the social world are:

  1. Be hyper-attentive / track it. Put effort (consciously or not) into understanding and reading people — how they think, how they respond, what they want.
  2. Avoid it. Block out the social world, and focus on the analytic world instead.

Both of these coping strategies come from an over-sensitivity to the presence of other people's wishes — an inability to hold one's own wants and other people's in mind at the same time (without feeling conflict/pressure).

Both of these coping strategies come with large costs. But in return, they act to make the world a little more predictable. If you can't get something nice, you can at least get something predictable. When the choice is between 'fairly bad and unpredictable' and 'even worse, but at least predictable', there is incentive to choose the latter: in those situations, one can make progress (you can build your life around a sucky-but-predictable world); but in an unpredictable world, progress is difficult — being thwarted takes a constant stream of creativity to overcome.

These aren't the only two strategies. Some people, for instance, find ways of being focused on the analytic world while also feeling at ease socially. By coping strategy, I mean to indicate it's not a full solution — it's a bandage, a way of managing. (I discuss solutions in the last section.) It's also common to use a mix of strategies, or use different strategies in different situations. People may not fall strictly into one category or another.

1. Hyper-Attentive Tracking

People who adopt the first strategy cope by being hyper-aware of and sensitive to the people around them. They are preoccupied by the wants of others; and one way this plays out is that they try to keep everyone happy, even at the expense of their own wants.

This coping strategy tends to cause problems with anxiety (tracking people is hard — so much info! — and people, even individuals, often want contradictory things, and it feels bad when there is conflict). Other common problems with this coping strategy include: discomfort when alone; lack of strong sense of self (own needs taking less priority than the needs of others); lacking interests that can be done without people; difficulty regulating emotions, and highly influenced by the emotions of other people.

It can feel like being at the mercy of others' wishes. Counter-intuitively, the way this coping strategy works is by controlling them: understand someone's wishes enough to be what they want, so that they do what you want them to do (such as accept you, or stop being in conflict with you).

If you're hurt by someone, you naturally try to control them: make them stop hurting you. Or if not make them stop, at least make it predictable. For example, some forms of defiant naughtiness in schools involve deliberately provoking a teacher in order to get punishment. When punishment is predictable, you can just do what you always do, instead of having to creatively come up with new ways to fend off threats all the time.

Coping strategies often start in adverse circumstances, like the above, but then continue to be used even in neutral or friendly circumstances. People find themselves being manipulative or inauthentic and don't know why. It then takes effort and practice to re-learn authentic ways of interacting.

2. Avoiding

People who adopt the second strategy cope by chronically averting their attention from the wants of other people. Their coping strategy is to limit the amount of information coming in.

For instance, some people close or avert their eyes from their conversation partner when speaking. In most conversations, there is a lot of information being exchanged even from the silent party: whether they're following along, whether they want to interrupt, how they're feeling about what you're saying, etc. If you have trouble with knowing how to incorporate this information while not losing your own thoughts, the simplest solution is to limit it.

They may also try to limit the amount of information going out, too. Monotone speech, neutral expression, static body language — don't move a muscle, or else people will be able to read your mind! (Not realising that you ain't fooling no one — people can read your mind anyway.)

This strategy cripples connections with other people, which require a lot of back-and-forth of information. People who cope this way usually know they can have trouble in groups and with making friends — or at very least they find social situations and people stressful to deal with.

Inner World

Someone with the avoidant coping strategy might be content with a small, chosen group of friends. They're happy to only make connections with certain kinds of people, and generally focus on their own pursuits over playing 'social games'.

If this were the only problem with this limiting-information coping mechanism, it wouldn't be a big deal — you'd just have a less-social lifestyle. Yeah, you might get lonely sometimes, or not get high in certain career ladders, but it's not a bad life.

But it's worse than that. The problem is bigger:

The different sides of you also have that information leak.

We have lots of different parts of ourselves. Whenever we're feeling conflicted, that can be thought of as two sides having a disagreement. [2]

Internal disagreements come up a lot between the conscious or explicit part of our mind vs the subconscious or inexplicit part of our mind. Thoughts vs feelings. System 2 vs System 1.

In reality, these shouldn't be warring sides. A well-adjusted person takes seriously all sides of their mind, and doesn't privilege one side or the other. If there's a disagreement, simply declaring one side is right is an epistemologically authoritarian move: you can't know which side is right before resolving the conflict between them.

The coping strategies that sabotage the information flow from other people also sabotage the information flow inside a single mind.

This is why 'social' and 'feelings' are often lumped together (contrasted with 'intellectual'). Social interaction uses the same mental logic as navigating disagreeing thoughts and feelings inside one mind.

Why do some people struggle with motivation to work on their goals? Because they're in a highly conflicted state. Many people get so good at severing the connection between their emotions and thoughts that they can't even tell what what they want or what they're conflicted about. It's just this vague sense of deadness.

Sabotaging this information flow can feel like internal discomfort, or suppression, or feeling stuck, or stress, or boredom, or lacking in motivation or focus. Taking feelings and forbidden thoughts seriously can feel terrifying, so we shut them down.

Your relationship with other people is a macrocosm of your relationship with yourself. [3]

You're just even better at shutting off that information when it's internal.

Secure Solution

It's possible to get through life without resorting to either of these coping strategies. Someone can be a happy hermit — not blocking people out, but not focusing on them either. Or someone could be quite social, but not feel anguish or pressure when people want things from them, and instead take the "different strokes for different folks" attitude: we can agree to disagree, you're okay, I'm okay, it's all okay.

When you're a child, you really are totally reliant on adults to provide for your needs. You may not have the option to 'agree to disagree'. You may experience school as being forced in a room with other people you have to interact with, by threat of punishment. If you're unlucky, you won't find a nice way of navigating this, and you'll form a coping strategy to make it bearable.

But when you're an adult, you are independent. You have choice to decline interactions you find unpleasant. You don't need everyone you know to like you to have a functioning life. There are still people and institutions to navigate, but they aren't out to get you. They won't thwart your cookie quests. You are free.


[1] CFAR uses the phrase 'adaptive problems' to mean a slightly different but related concept:

"A problem whose solution contains steps or methods that are unknown or uncertain, often requiring experimentation, novel strategies, or entirely new ways of thinking."

Here, I'm emphasising problems that adapt to become harder when you try to solve them. Problems that adapt responsively.

[2] CFAR uses this concept for their Internal Double Crux method of resolving internal conflict.

[3] Here, I've been talking about how the avoidant coping strategy has consequences for how you deal with different parts of your own mind.

But the logic of the attentive coping strategy could also have consequences: Under this coping strategy, if you have internal conflicts, you may be inclined to control the different parts of your own mind. This may manifest as hyper-vigilance over your own thoughts.

I think this kind of controlling attentiveness may manifest in other ways, but I haven't come up with many examples yet. If anyone has any thoughts about this, leave them in the comments!

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comment by Qiaochu_Yuan · 2018-02-05T17:47:57.066Z · score: 31 (7 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Nice post!

I think when I was growing up I did something importantly different from either tracking or avoiding. Broadly, tracking is model-based reinforcement learning and what I did was model-free reinforcement learning: I wasn't modeling the minds of the people around me in very much detail, but I did try on different social strategies and looked at relatively simple reward signals to determine if they were working, e.g. how much people around me were laughing. Eventually I learned I could get people to laugh mostly by not censoring myself, so that's what I did for most of high school and college.

In general I get the overall sense that this post is moderately typical minding, but I'm okay with that.

comment by Lulie · 2018-02-05T21:12:34.578Z · score: 15 (5 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Good point. In hindsight, I somewhat wish I had described a more broad version of the hyper-attentive strategy (rather than saying what people do is directly try to model the minds of other people).

Now that you mention it, I think hyper-attentive people usually use the model-free reinforcement learning version of it. Or the model they use is some kind of 'average person' or 'what the culture says the model should be'.

And if they did stop to model the real individual (rather than an average or cultural version of them), they'd deal much better. (I've noticed this in myself: I'll be modelling the social version of a person, but if I stop to think what that individual is like, it's much less scary and easier to think about.)

comment by Benquo · 2019-05-21T20:14:33.128Z · score: 10 (2 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

I did a lot of this too, and ended up constructing a simulation of myself as a social layer. I recently switched to a more integrated approach, and my current development edges are around figuring out when being open and honest is the wrong choice.

comment by sarahconstantin · 2018-02-05T23:57:51.398Z · score: 30 (10 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

How do you deal with "social interactions are a lot of info to process and a lot of stress?"

  1. Increase your raw cognitive processing power. I'm not sure if this is possible in general -- can one increase working memory, sensory processing abilities, verbal fluency, ability to multitask, etc? If so, I would expect solutions to either be basically "practice more" or "take nootropic/stimulant drugs." (As well as "heal from any treatable physical/mental illnesses.")
  2. Cut down on unnecessary effort. Skip social gatherings you don't value very much, engineer your environment to reduce sensory pain/stress. Deliberately allocate recovery time around social events.
  3. Do as much thinking as you can ahead of time. Find good social scripts and habits that won't take much mental effort in the moment.
  4. Increase the reward of social interactions by focusing on people whom you like more, topics you're interested in, etc.
  5. Reducing anxiety (in my experience) can promote more "peripheral vision"/"situational awareness". Relaxation lets your area of attention widen, which means you can take in more social stuff. If it usually feels like there's a tradeoff where "over-noticing" makes you anxious but "under-noticing" makes you clueless, you can cut the knot by just directly addressing the anxiety. (Drugs are good for this; what you want is something that's calming but not sedative. Alcohol makes you relaxed-but-clueless; you're looking for something more like "relaxed awareness.")
comment by alkjash · 2018-02-06T01:07:36.970Z · score: 15 (4 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Great list, I'd add one "dark side" tip: reduce your own anxiety by noticing and focusing on other people's vulnerabilities, and learning how to exploit them (and then NOT DOING THAT, of course, the point is simply to know you can). Figure out the common verbal and body language signs of stress and anxiety and you start noticing them in almost everyone.

comment by Priya Ghose (priya-ghose) · 2018-02-16T05:44:00.521Z · score: 7 (2 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

What are the most common verbal and body language signs of stress?

comment by alkjash · 2018-02-16T12:12:37.659Z · score: 15 (3 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

The best list I can think of is the section on playing low status in Impro - in general these correlate with social anxiety. A handful off the top of my head that I notice regularly:

  • Breaking eye contact while speaking.
  • Jittery movements and speech patterns.
  • Shrinking body language to take up less space.
  • Smiling too much.
comment by Ben Pace (Benito) · 2018-02-16T12:26:46.373Z · score: 10 (2 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Okay, that was strikingly perceptive, I need to read that book.

comment by Qiaochu_Yuan · 2018-02-16T18:23:49.443Z · score: 15 (3 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Seconded. I really can't recommend Impro enough. I think more about the material in that book than almost any other book, I think.

comment by PeterBorah · 2018-02-16T12:35:23.270Z · score: 14 (3 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

I strongly endorse reading Impro. It's short, well-written, and packs a very high insight-to-text ratio.

comment by Benquo · 2019-05-21T20:11:56.853Z · score: 13 (3 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Resolving internal conflicts that are aggravated by social interactions seems like a very important leverage point for some people.

comment by Kaj_Sotala · 2019-05-21T20:57:11.839Z · score: 3 (1 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Seconded.

comment by Qiaochu_Yuan · 2018-02-06T01:25:58.640Z · score: 13 (3 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Social interactions are a lot of info to process, but I at least generally don't find that processing stressful or even effortful, so it seems worth separating those two points.

comment by Andile Riley (andile-riley) · 2019-05-21T17:44:57.798Z · score: 3 (2 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think you miss the most obvious way to improve your social skills: practice! Receiving positive social feedback is a skill and like all skills can be improved.

While there is a wide distribution in natural social competence, a large portion of the variance in social skills is attributable to how much time you spent interacting with other people during your formative years. The more time you spend with people, the less you have to think in social situations. You will have the experience to know what are the typical things to do and say, how people tend to react in certain situations, how to read various subtle micro facial expressions and shifts in body language, etc.

Of course, if you are in actively toxic environments, then I would not recommend recklessly "putting yourself out there". If you are still shy or lacking in confidence in your social skills, it is wise to limit yourself to social settings that you are comfortable, at least in the beginning.

comment by Benquo · 2019-05-21T20:11:14.648Z · score: 10 (2 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

It's not clear what the performance metric is here or which things to focus on for practice. For instance, learning to read microexpressions in more detail can help reduce the long-run amount of social work required to manage an interaction, but at the cost of additional short-run cognitive load, and it has the risk of exacerbating problems instead.

comment by AndHisHorse · 2018-02-05T13:42:15.106Z · score: 28 (11 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

In addition to enjoying the content, I liked the illustrations, which I did not find necessary for understanding but which did break up the text nicely. I encourage you to continue using them.

comment by David_Kristoffersson · 2018-02-05T09:42:40.043Z · score: 18 (5 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)
Your relationship with other people is a macrocosm of your relationship with yourself.

I think there's something to that, but it's not that general. For example, some people can be very kind to others but harsh with themselves. Some people can be cruel to others but lenient to themselves.

If you can't get something nice, you can at least get something predictable

The desire for the predictable is what Autism Spectrum Disorder is all about, I hear.

comment by jimmy · 2018-02-05T18:30:55.868Z · score: 20 (5 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)
I think there's something to that, but it's not that general. For example, some people can be very kind to others but harsh with themselves. Some people can be cruel to others but lenient to themselves.

Even if the behavior itself seems vastly different, that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't just different instances of the same "social program". For example, if you're "kind" to others but harsh with yourself, it might be because you don't know how to hold people accountable without being harsh, and correctly predict that you wouldn't be able to get away with it with other people (but where are you going to go if you don't like yourself?).

comment by MalcolmOcean (malcolmocean) · 2018-02-07T00:13:05.771Z · score: 9 (3 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

I would use the term "anti-inductive" to point at the thing you're using "adaptive" for. Relevant articles: Markets are Anti-Inductive (talks about economics) and The Phatic and the Anti-Inductive (talks about social stuff).

I also think that anyone who's interested in thinking more about conflict, both as it shows up internally and as it shows up between people, would get a lot out of checking out Perceptual Control Theory.

comment by John Faben (john-faben) · 2018-02-06T10:27:55.980Z · score: 6 (4 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)
The coping strategies that sabotage the information flow from other people alsosabotage the information flow inside a single mind.
Your relationship with other people is a macrocosm of your relationship with yourself.

I don't think I believe either of these things, both of which seem central to the post. They are extremely strong and surprising claims, but they don't feel true to me based on naive introspection, and I don't think you really try to argue for them in the post. Is there somewhere I can find out more?

comment by Lulie · 2018-02-06T20:14:58.235Z · score: 6 (2 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

This may not answer your question directly, but:

Why would one have a different way of dealing with information inside one's mind vs the same kind of information outside it? What's the mechanism that prevents leak between these two cases?

One potential crux is that it IS the same kind of information, and that different parts of you have very similar logic to different individual humans.

What are the alternatives -- how would someone deal with information inside their mind differently from information outside it?

(There's a cliché saying, "you have to love yourself before you can love others". I think this is drawing on the same idea.)

An argument is:

One needs ways of dealing with the world, and ways of dealing with oneself. Both of these are pretty difficult tasks. If the logic of how you deal with one can apply to the other, that would save a lot of time and energy -- it'd mean you don't have to start from scratch. So there's an incentive to re-use ideas.

comment by whpearson · 2018-02-05T20:26:24.836Z · score: 4 (1 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)
But when you're an adult, you are independent. You have choice to decline interactions you find unpleasant. You don't need everyone you know to like you to have a functioning life. There are still people and institutions to navigate, but they aren't out to get you. They won't thwart your cookie quests. You are free.

I think this depends a lot on the context. The higher profile you are the more people might be out to get you, because they can gain something by dragging you down. See twitter mobs etc.

Similarly if you want to doing something that might be controversial you can't just waltz out and do it, unless you are damn sure it is right. Building strong alliances and not making too many enemies seems important as well. Sometimes you need to do the unpleasant interactions because that is also what being an adult is about.

But nice post, I'm sure it will help some people.

comment by Lulie · 2018-09-29T10:10:13.622Z · score: 3 (1 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

HPMOR house connections

As a first approximation --

Maladaptive Hufflepuff: Hyper-attentive tracking

Maladaptive Ravenclaw: Avoiding

I suspect there are different forms of maladaptive Slytherin, which could result in either coping strategy.

One could imagine a con man either having a jumpy trying-to-fix-the-social-dynamic personality (attentive), or having sociopathic disregard for people (avoidant).

Likewise, either of them could come out of maladaptive Gryffindor:

  1. Attentive: Try to get everyone to do the Right thing! Keep a careful watch on people, and get defensive/combative when people aren't doing Good.

(Examples of this character type: young people who work for charities in a non-EA manner, have their heart on their sleeve, and judge others for not being charitable; or religious people who have a compulsive desire to proselytise or keep an eye on their community, like an older lady who gossips and takes it upon herself to tell people off. In general, maladaptive Gryffindor trackers can be summed up as "social-minded but insecure Paladin".)

  1. Avoidant: Just blaze through doing what is Right, don't stop to listen to people.

Maladaptive Gryffindors of this type believe that optimising for being liked can slow down or impede justice-related goals. Since there's apparently an inherent conflict there (what is right is a function of people; and the difference between a group and individual is sketchy), maladaptive Gryffindors deal with this by shutting down 'being liked' related thoughts, including sacrificing interaction with people on a more personal level (avoidant).

(This is all pretty conjectural. Comments, criticisms and your own houses-analysis are warmly encouraged.)

comment by Nocover · 2018-04-25T23:44:12.515Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW(p) · GW(p)

Hi Lulie,

In your third endnote, you asked for comments on how hyper-vigilance may operate on an individual's own thoughts. Here are some ideas.

Hyper-vigilant thoughts result from the uncritical adoption of cultural memes. A person adopts some cultural value uncritically because it offers benefits and then self-imposes that value's standards. For example, a career choice motivated by the desire for security. A person could be vigilant within their career, even becoming an outstanding performer, while ignoring their unique wants/interests. When they believe they are performing poorly with regard to this standard, they become anxious because ultimately their entire security is being threatened (livelihood probably, but also method for decision making). Also, they lack the knowledge of their own higher-level values which provide answer the question "how do I act?" so they are at risk of being very lost.

The hyper-attentive person has strong inner wants, but they are ultimately motivated by allegiance to a values internally adopted out of fear. This person is likely to be opportunistic and anxious.

The avoidant person instead has cut off wants because of their tendency to cause conflict. This person is likely to become apathetic.

P.S.

I found "Your relationship with other people is a macrocosm of your relationship with yourself." Very helpful, so thank you :)