Reflections on the cryonics sequence

post by mingyuan · 2021-02-03T01:17:13.556Z · LW · GW · 11 comments

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Three months ago, I had a dream my mom died while cryocrastinating, and I decided to finally start the process. I quickly found that it was ridiculously hard to figure out what the process even was, and I thought, "huh, someone should really write a guide on how to do this." And lo, I just spent the past three months writing that guide. It is 24,000 words long and took up about 90% of my working hours for the past three months.

I knew very little about cryonics before starting the sequence. It took me about five years after first encountering the idea on LessWrong to feel comfortable enough with it that I wanted to sign up. I still think it's an incredibly long shot, and I'm probably just using it the way many people use religion – to stave off my crippling fear of death. I'm just some random person, not an 'official expert' or even someone who's that deeply invested.

But I've already said everything I want to say about cryonics itself. This post is about the other things I've learned.

First, I learned that I have a really great intellectual support community. Most of my questions were fielded by former housemates, coworkers, and erstwhile acquaintances. Mati Roy was super helpful – he's a knowledgeable and committed cryonicist who's embedded in all of the relevant conversations. My mom and sister (both writers and editors in their own right) helped with last-minute proofreading. And Habryka was a real sport all the times I got so confused about life insurance that I was on the verge of tears (which happened periodically throughout the entire three months); he even let me call him about it in the middle of the workday once.

But more importantly for me, I learned that I am capable of figuring things out and building an understanding of new areas. The skill of "research" always seemed to me like a total black box, and I was told repeatedly it was a skill I didn't have – first when I washed out of the GiveWell Research Analyst application process at the first step (right after college), and later when I was put in a role where I was supposed to do research and was repeatedly given frankly hurtful negative feedback that amounted to little more than "you are bad at this, why aren't you better?" I figured that the people around me who were doing "research" knew some magic secret that I didn't, and I felt paralyzed and fell further and further behind.

But it turns out that "research" just means googling things, reading the relevant results, and writing and talking through things until you understand them. You don't need to have a fancy title or major in anything specific; you can just open your computer and do research, any time you want. If anyone had explained that to me back in that role, I probably wouldn't have failed so hard. 

Relatedly, in a recent job, my boss and I both decided I wasn't good at working on large, loosely structured projects with no externally imposed deadlines. This was partly a matter of choice (I wanted bite-sized assignments so that I'd never have to take my work home with me), but it was also based on a time when my boss asked me to do a thing due in two months and I basically completely forgot and didn't ever make a real effort. So, it was really cool, while working on the cryonics sequence, to destroy the part of my self-narrative that said I was bad at large, self-directed projects.

I also grew up quite financially illiterate, in an activist environment [LW · GW], with parents who kept all of their assets in cash because they thought "investing is just gambling." So I'm particularly proud of having gotten such a good grasp on the life insurance landscape, even if my understanding is imperfect. That's the type of thing I was raised to be afraid of – and I totally was afraid of it – but I kept going anyway. Pretty cool.

I am super done with writing for today, so, the end.

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comment by Alexei · 2021-02-04T01:09:28.424Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That’s awesome! Thank you for doing this.

comment by antanaclasis · 2021-02-03T16:58:26.691Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thank you for making this sequence. I’ve been cryocrasinaing for a while, in part due to the complexity of the forms and insurance, and I hope that this sequence will give me the confidence to move forward.

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comment by mingyuan · 2021-02-05T02:23:22.800Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I hope so too! Feel free to DM me if you ever feel stuck or confused!

comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2021-02-04T00:40:08.830Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think the story you put at the top could be an excellent addition to the sequence itself.  The sequence does a great job at "How" and "What" but less so on "Why".  I think talking about your own story and motivations could help people connect to the rest of the sequence and potentially help propel them through the difficult process.

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comment by mingyuan · 2021-02-05T02:43:42.388Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for your feedback! But I think I stand by the choice to do what I did with the sequence. I said in the very first post that I was writing for "people who already think signing up for cryonics is a good idea but are putting it off because they're not sure what they actually need to do next", and I think having that narrower mission let me write a better sequence overall. 

My reasoning was that there's already been a whole lot written on the 'why' and 'whether' of cryonics, and as someone who's not particularly passionate about cryonics, I wasn't the best person to make the case for it. I also didn't want to use emotional anecdotes to sway readers into signing up for cryonics when I'm not totally sure myself whether it's worthwhile. 

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comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2021-02-05T03:53:28.568Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

! But I think I stand by the choice to do what I did with the sequence. I said in the very first post that I was writing for "people who already think signing up for cryonics is a good idea but are putting it off because they're not sure what they actually need to do next", and I think having that narrower mission let me write a better sequence overall. 

Yeah I mean I guess I don't have a horse in this race, if you think it's best and you feel good about the sequence that's what matters

Three months ago, I had a dream my mom died while cryocrastinating, and I decided to finally start the process.  It took me about five years after first encountering the idea on LessWrong to feel comfortable enough with it that I wanted to sign up. I still think it's an incredibly long shot, and I'm probably just using it the way many people use religion – to stave off my crippling fear of death. 

FWIW I think this is my favorite explanation/walkthrough of a reason to sign up for cryonics that I've heard.  I think often even as rationalists that know better it's easy to get caught in the mindset that "being rational is ignoring emotions when making decisions."  

But of course, emotions are part of reality and ignoring them is exceedingly irrational. I loved this honest emotion-acknowledging take on cryonics and felt a personal "yes" when I imagined this introducing/bringing in the sequence.  Combining a very emotional reason/story along with a later very much dry/fact based sequence just feels so aesthetically beautiful to me.   So that may explain where I was coming from; at the same time acknowledging you may be coming from a very different place.

comment by dominicq · 2021-02-03T10:55:48.334Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Excellent! I've also been cryocrastinating for far too long, this might be the impetus I need to finally start.

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comment by mingyuan · 2021-02-05T02:23:34.250Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Oh yay, that's exactly what I was hoping to accomplish! Good luck!

comment by emanuele ascani (emanuele-ascani) · 2021-02-06T18:05:28.725Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for your service, Mingyuan. 10/10.

comment by Synaptic · 2021-02-04T00:13:28.663Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thank you for all of your work on doing this. I really appreciate it. 

comment by Alex Vermillion (tomcatfish) · 2022-07-28T03:57:34.003Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks, I contacted an insurance agent with more confidence after reading your post.