Tracking Compute Stocks and Flows: Case Studies?

post by Cullen (Cullen_OKeefe) · 2022-10-05T17:57:55.408Z · LW · GW · 5 comments

Posted in my personal capacity

The AGI governance community has recently converged on compute governance[1] as a promising lever for reducing existential risks from AI.

One likely building block for any maximally secure compute governance regime is stock and flow accounting of (some kinds of) compute: i.e., requiring realtime accurate declaration to regulators of who possesses which uniquely numbered regulated chips, with penalties for undeclared or unauthorized[2] transfers.

To understand the optimal design and feasibility of such a regime, we seek historical analogies for similar regimes. One that we are already familiar with include:

What are other good existing or historical analogies for compute stock and flow accounting? An ideal analogy will have many of the following traits:[3]

More and better examples of stock and flow accounting mechanisms could be extremely informative in improving compute governance proposals.

  1. See, e.g., this sequence [? · GW] by Lennart Heim. ↩︎

  2. The question of which types of transfers ought to be authorized is important but beyond the scope of this post. ↩︎

  3. NB: Many of the above do not have all of these traits! ↩︎


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comment by Beth Barnes (beth-barnes) · 2022-10-09T17:27:08.257Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Maybe controlled substances? - e.g. in UK there are requirements for pharmacies to store controlled substances securely, dispose of them in particular ways, keep records of prescriptions, do due diligence that the patient is not addicted or reselling etc. And presumably there are systems for supplying to pharmacies etc and tracking ownership.

comment by Zian · 2022-10-10T05:06:27.613Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

A large fraction of the ITAR list.

Some examples of dual-use items:

  • Rockets
  • Iron powder
  • Ship hulls
  • Airplanes
  • Helmets
  • Cordless telephones (digital spread spectrum)

Out of that list of examples, airplanes and ship hulls probably fit your requirements.

comment by [deleted] · 2022-10-28T16:18:32.518Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Not sure if any of these qualify but: Military equipment, ingredients for making drugs, ingredients for explosives, refugees and travelers (being transferred between countries), stocks and certificates of ownership (used to be physical), big amounts of cash. Also I bet there was lots of registration of goods in planned economies.

comment by Adam Jermyn (adam-jermyn) · 2022-10-05T20:45:36.519Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Counterfeit tracking (e.g. for high-end clothing) could be another domain that has confronted this sort of tracking problem. Though I'm not sure if they do that with accounting versus e.g. tagging each individual piece of clothing.

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comment by Cullen (Cullen_OKeefe) · 2022-10-28T00:14:07.253Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks! I'm a bit confused by this though. Could you point me to some background information on the type of tracking that is done there?