Learning to Learn and Navigating Moods

post by calebo · 2019-07-21T15:53:06.667Z · LW · GW · 13 comments

Contents

  The Varieties of Moods
  The Causes of Moods
  Moods During the Learning Lifecycle
  Navigating Moods
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Moods are important to learning. Clearly, if you’re upset, it will be harder to learn JavaScript, how to cook a fine pesto, or surf. If you’re curious and filled with wonder, it will be much easier. Because your mood can be either promote or hamper your learning success, learning how to navigate moods usefully is an important metaskill for skill acquisition. Knowing about the importance of moods is useful for teaching, students or colleagues, in addition to learning.

Those are the main claims of Gloria Flores’ Learning to Learn and the Navigation of Moods: The Meta-Skill for the Acquisition of Skills. In this post I’ll summarize the book. I’ve also created an audio for an exercise that she suggests using AWS Polly that you can access here.

What are the components of this meta-skill?

The Varieties of Moods

A quick definition, what are moods? In Flores’ words:

“Moods are like the coloring of how we encounter the world around us, what it says to us or how it appears to us” (21-22)

I think of moods as been made up of two components:

If someone is in a blue mood, they may skip a party they would have otherwise gone to and enjoyed. If someone is annoyed, they will be more likely to lash out at others. If someone is feeling joyous, they’ll be far less likely to lash out and more likely to play with and help others. Each of these moods have a particular experiential quality to them, there’s something it’s like to have a blue, annoyed, or joyous mood.

Flores provides a number of different moods that may productively impact our learning. Here are a list of them with associated thoughts and feelings:

Some of these moods may hamper our learning progress. For example, we can be overconfident and over trusting or too patient. Perhaps there are some things we just shouldn’t be serene about. However, by and large, these moods are very useful for learning.

On the unproductive side of things we have these moods:

Sometimes, these moods may be appropriate for our circumstances: for example, boredom and distrust may sometimes be useful. However, typically these moods hold us back.

These moods are likely familiar to you. I’ve experienced all of them.

The Causes of Moods

Flores has a similar model of moods as CBT types do for emotions. Moods are produced by particular judgements and events in the world (Flores calls what I call judgements “assessments”, I prefer the term “judgement”). Judgements are evaluative and reference norms, values, and our desires. Such as: I like this. This is good. This is bad. This is right/wrong. This is appropriate/inappropriate. These judgments are made automatically and habitually.

While attempting to solve a bug while working on a web application, one may feel frustrated. One may think, “I should have solved this bug already” or “why am I even having a bug like this while writing a simple program” or “If I were a 10x engineer I wouldn’t be experiencing this bug.” These judgements and events may bring about (or may reflect) a rather frustrated mood. In this way events and moods can interact and bring about a negative feedback loop.

Alternatively, after solving a bug, one may feel elated and confident. One may think, “Yes, I solved this hard bug fast, I’m great” or “I am glad I fixed that in the time I did” or “I am a 10x engineer give me more bugs.” This may bring out a general mood of confidence in addition to a success spirals [LW · GW].

As with CBT, one of the first steps with navigating moods while learning is observing moods. Take our programmer. How do they feel when they encounter a bug? How do they feel when they solve one? What thoughts surround these events? What judgments do these thoughts express, if any?

The causes of many unproductive moods can be tied to judgements concerning the following:

These judgements and the associated thought patterns can get in the way of learning. They are behind many of the unproductive moods above.

Moods During the Learning Lifecycle

Flores discusses Staurt Dreyfus and Hubert Dreyfus’s (Yes, that Dreyfus) learning model and maps different moods to the different stages. I found this useful, since the stages are largely recognizable and the relevant moods map nicely enough to my experience and others. Nonetheless, this learning model is too low resolution for me and I’d like to see something more detailed developed.

According to the Dreyfus brothers there are six stages of learning:

The trajectory of these categories seem right to me and though it doesn’t exactly cut reality at the joints, it’s a workable model.

Flores helpfully maps out what moods are associated with what stage here:

We can run through this life cycle with our programmer.

Beginner: Our programmer begins their journey at a bootcamp...

Advanced beginner: Our programmer has managed to last in the bootcamp for a month or two and may or may not be having a lot of fun

Competent: Our programmer lands their first job...

Proficient: Our programmer is plodding along at the job, squashing bugs and shipping features. Sometimes people ask them for help!

Expert: Our programmer has become a lead engineer -- they are manage others, play a crucial role in design decisions, but still manage to program!

Master: Our programmer may or may not be the mythical beast known as a 10x engineer, either way, they’ve mastered their craft.

Again, this system is hardly gospel. Many of these stages manage similar moods. Ambition and wonder are useful for nearly all of them. But there are useful and practical upshots. For example:

There are a plethora of techniques for navigating moods. From CBT, mindfulness, focusing, and many more. I’ll summarize a specific exercise that Flores recommends and uses during her workshops. I’ve created an audio version of this exercise with Polly that you can listen to here.

The exercise is as follows:

  1. Reflect on one’s learning objective
  2. Identify and explore the unproductive mood
  3. Identify moods that would be more conducive to reaching your learning objectives
  4. Speculate about what action you could take to shift the unproductive moods into moods that will be more conducive to your learning
  5. Take action (32-36)

We can call this REISA: reflect, explore, identify, speculate, action

First reflect, ask questions like the following:

The key idea is to be explicit about why you are doing what you are doing.

Then explore the unproductive mood. You can do this mindfully in a nonconceptual way and/or do this in an explicit way by uncovering what judgements and events have brought about the mood. You can ask:

For example, you may note that the judgement is: “I am incompetent.” Is this judgement true? What gave rise to it? It seems very similar to a cognitive distortion. Likely, you’ll find that the judgement is not well grounded and not helpful.

Next identify what mood may be conducive for learning. If you’re feeling insecure, confidence would be a natural pairing. If you’re feeling resigned, ambition would be useful. Consider what kind of judgements one makes in the opposing mood. Consider whether there are quick actions that one can take to move into the productive mood.

Often useful actions will reveal themselves quickly. If one is say playing world of warcraft with a team and one is feeling resigned (because you’re holding back the team) you may find, while reflecting, that you are not asking for help. You are not asking for help because you judge that you must appear competent to your teammates -- and a competent person never asks for help. This judgement is off base. The salient action is simply ask for help. More specifically, you may ask for help at the next available opportunity.

Occasionally quick actions like the above will not be available. Merely considering the judgements associated with productive moods can only do so much. What one wants to do is create a system such that one can identify as the sort of person who is confident and ambitious. There are ways to do this, not discussed here. Instead, come up with a concerted plan to move into that mood.

Finally, take action.

The rest of Flores’ book is full of case studies from workshops that she has run. In these workshops, professionals would learn how to play WoW together. There are fruitful discussions of how real participants fell into unproductive moods and how they moved out of those moods. I’d recommend leafing through them if you’d like stories to grok the above content.

TLDR: moods are important for learning. Different moods appear at different stages of the learning process. It’s important to recognize the patterns in one’s moods and be able to navigate through them well. There are a variety of ways to do this.

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comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2019-07-22T21:58:36.897Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I really enjoyed this, I especially liked the part about the stages and where learners are likely to get stuck. I personally really related to the description of the unproductive approach to proficiency, and think I've probably got quite a few skills stuck at proficiency due to the unproductive moods mentioned. Knowing that I can cultivate the moods of ambition, resolve, and patience to move forward with these skills feels like it could be really useful.

comment by Vincent van der Lubbe (vincent-van-der-lubbe) · 2020-08-18T17:59:34.930Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thank you very much for your excellent summary. Instead of having to write everything myself, I started with yours and edited/expanded on it based on the book. You saved me a lot of time :-) One thing which struck me: in the summary you have changed the phrasing from the original "we" to "one" statements. Is this intentional? If yes, why? As I understand the author, a crucial aspect of these (automatic) assessments is that they play into the way we are, live and work together. Gloria Flores expands on the Dreyfus’ skill model to "illuminate the acquisition of essential social skills: skills for coordination of cooperative group action." When you change "we" to "one" you seem to focus on personal productivity. In my understanding doing so is blending out the crucial aspect of cooperation. The whole background of Flores' work (and her father's) seems to be how we cooperate and create new futures together and I am not sure if readers here are aware of that.

comment by Jay Molstad (jay-molstad) · 2019-07-21T21:48:48.255Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think this varies considerably by person. Personally, I have 4 university degrees and I've never really felt the need to pay attention to my moods in anything like this way. I generally got good enough results by waiting for the last minute, which triggered the "this needs doing now" mood that was sufficient for my needs.

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comment by calebo · 2019-07-23T20:53:34.684Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I agree that the return to "learning to navigate moods" varies by person.

It sounds to me, from your report, that you tend to be in moods conducive to learning. My sense is that there are many who are often in unproductive moods and many who aware that they spend too much time in unproductive moods. These people would find learning to navigate moods valuable.

comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2019-07-22T02:05:39.992Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Do you find that you don't have different states or moods?

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comment by Jay Molstad (jay-molstad) · 2019-07-22T22:37:22.314Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I do, but I find the world often requires me to stay productively on task even when I'd rather not. We old people used to call this "self-discipline".

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comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2019-07-22T23:06:13.510Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think that this and your original comment seem to kind of...be talking to a different post or something?

Like it didn't seem like the original post was at all about being able to get things done, but more about optimizing learning.

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comment by Jay Molstad (jay-molstad) · 2019-07-23T10:08:05.956Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

When I need to learn something, I read about it and work problems. It's not fundamentally different than getting anything else done. For me, that is. YMMV.

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comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2019-07-23T19:21:40.380Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

The key word on the above answer being "optimal". It seemed to me like the post was saying "here's one thing you can pay attention to to optimize your learning." and you were replying "But I don't pay attention to that and can still do learning." which is essentially arguing against a point that the original post never made.

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comment by Jay Molstad (jay-molstad) · 2019-07-23T22:33:44.822Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

My point was that it varies by person. My subtext was that one should avoid the typical "nerd" error of going to significant lengths to optimize a mostly irrelevant variable, if like me you find it mostly irrelevant.

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comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2019-07-24T00:09:45.710Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
My point was that it varies by person. My subtext was that one should avoid the typical "nerd" error of going to significant lengths to optimize a mostly irrelevant variable, if like me you find it mostly irrelevant.

Makes sense.

comment by ChristianKl · 2019-07-23T07:42:21.671Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Personally, I have 4 university degrees

What kind of argument are you making here? Having 4 degrees sounds to me like evidence of not knowing what you want and thus wasting a lot of time in a degree that you don't use afterwards.

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comment by Jay Molstad (jay-molstad) · 2019-07-23T10:13:38.218Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I got my first 3 (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) back in the 20th century and spent about 10 years in startups. And yes, the Ph.D. turned out to be a lot less marketable than expected, although I'm hardly the only one to have that problem. Fifteen years later I got another Master's and have been gainfully employed ever since. But I definitely have plenty of experience in learning things.