Prioritizing Parental Sleep

post by jefftk (jkaufman) · 2022-09-30T02:10:01.576Z · LW · GW · 9 comments

Overall I've really enjoyed being a parent, but poor sleep has been the hardest part. At times we've both been so tired that we weren't able to think clearly about how to fix the problem, which can be very tricky. We've figured this out more over time, however, and sleep has improved with each successive kid (n=3). Here's the main things that have worked for us, all in one place.

Note that kids and parents vary a lot: our three kids are different from each other, and your kids likely even more so. I'm hoping that many things on this list will be useful to many people, but it wouldn't be surprising for several of them to be a poor fit for any individual family. I've ordered them roughly down from the ones that I think are most likely to work for anyone who tries them. Perhaps unsurprisingly this is also roughly in the order of youngest to oldest; my impression is kids diverge more over time as their personalities come out.

Other things that can be helpful:

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comment by Gunnar_Zarncke · 2022-09-30T10:51:58.242Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Great recommendations and I can confirm all from own experience except for the Snoo, and multi-layer bed. The latter is a great idea, and I wish we had come up with that ourselves. On the velcro swaddles one can have a different opinion.

Other ideas:

  • When the kids are older, you can teach them to make breakfast themselves. They may even bring you some.
  • Consider taking long car rides at night. It will be much less boring for the kids because they sleep and maybe even one parent too. And you avoid traffic jams and maybe save one hotel stay. Only works if the changes in sleep rhythm works for you. 

About cosleeping: In my experience, if one child cosleeps, even if it doesn't wake up, or is older, I need maybe an hour more sleep. This, of course, varies with how much the child turns during sleep or how soundly you sleep - some people will not wake up even if a bomb goes off. 

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comment by jefftk (jkaufman) · 2022-09-30T11:17:47.902Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Consider taking long car rides at night. It will be much less boring for the kids because they sleep and maybe even one parent too.

On the other hand there's an increased risk of accident (driver falls asleep). I generally try to avoid driving late, or caffeinate when I do (but then sleeping after is generally pretty hard because I can't immediately go from "chemically alert enough to drive" to "sleepy enough to doze off")

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comment by Gunnar_Zarncke · 2022-09-30T13:56:01.796Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Yeah, don't force it. But it seems to work well for some people.

comment by Kerry · 2022-09-30T15:58:00.674Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Alas! I've got 6 kids, youngest is currently 3. We've used many strategies, but this guide would have helped a lot. My experience is that every kid is different, and you need to be flexible instead of assuming that what worked last time will work this time. I would add that locking kids in their room has been critical for us with the most agressively wakey kids. This is done when they sleep in a closet-ish room next to ours so that we hear everything, and with a sleep friendly floor covering in front of the door.

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comment by Angela Pretorius · 2022-10-01T16:13:57.516Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Can we please be clear that sleep training and locking kids in their rooms should only be done as a last resort. And if you do lock your children in their bedrooms then at least leave a potty in their rooms.

I have some bad childhood memories of bedtime battles and spending hours on end lying in bed pretending to be asleep and having to face the terror of waking up from a nightmare alone because I didn’t want to get told off for being awake in the night.

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comment by Kerry · 2022-10-03T03:00:07.559Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This is something that I've only needed to do with kids under 2, still in diapers. For older kids we talk.

comment by jefftk (jkaufman) · 2022-10-01T22:08:35.334Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Flagging that "sleep training" and "locking kids in rooms" are pretty different things. I don't think "last resort" applies to the former, if done well and compassionately

comment by Angela Pretorius · 2022-10-01T13:25:14.511Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Here is the secret to successful co-sleeping: Get a large playpen that can fit a double mattress. Then once the baby is asleep you can slip out and go to the loo/have sex/get a glass of water.

More tips:

If the baby needs changing after a night feed then first roll him onto his tummy, then change him, then roll him back onto his back. My boy would usually sleep through nappy changes so long as he was changed on his tummy.

Put the baby to bed in leggings rather than sleepsuits, so that nappy leaks can be dealt with without waking the baby.

comment by Ziad251 (ziad251) · 2022-10-03T07:48:27.983Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Just make a pillow fort