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comment by m_arj · 2024-01-25T10:06:09.710Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Where should a rationalist start learning about hypnosis? Preferably a book.

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comment by nim · 2024-01-26T18:30:30.971Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Choose some trivial, popular self-improvement thing you want. Something you wouldn't mind changing about your cognition if it was easy, but wouldn't be heartbroken not to change if it didn't happen. Find some free self-hypnosis audio for it online, and skim a transcript of the script to make sure it's content you're ok with lowering your defenses toward. Then pretend to be the kind of person who just plain thinks it's interesting and worth a try, and listen to it and relax into it.

If you've practiced self-awareness and self-reflection, you will probably have the experience where the parts of your mind you watch yourself with remain normal, while the parts they're watching get lightly hypnotized. If all of you gets hypnotized, that's cool too, you're back to normal at the end of the audio and you might accidentally get a personal change you don't hate.

It's tempting to categorize hypnosis as an intellectual pursuit if you haven't interacted with it much, but it's really got a lot more in common with physical practices than mental ones. As with many physical pursuits, the important bits happen in the parts of human experience that are the hardest to transfer between minds through language, so reading about it will convey much less useful understanding than just giving it a try.

at least, I'm assuming you want to understand it. Some stuff, trying to understand from language is about as effective as trying to "understand" a cuisine by reading a cookbook that calls for a bunch of spices you're unfamiliar with. Skim the cookbook to make sure you're not allergic to any of the known ingredients, maybe, then just go visit the restaurant down the street.

comment by ChristianKl · 2024-01-26T12:01:21.449Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

If there's a good book I would be happy to see suggestions, but in my experience I would expect that a book will help you in a similar way to a book on other skills like learning to dance Salsa, do a martial art like Judo, swim or ride a bicycle. 

For hypnosis knowledge to be useful, you need the skill and that requires actual practice and not just intellectual understanding.

comment by nim · 2024-01-25T15:26:28.785Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

In reflecting on which subjects have been surprisingly powerful and implementable for me, I notice a pattern: Catching up my knowledge of subjects that I bounced off of rather than assimilating on prior encounters with them has disproportionate return.

Your example of connecting body language mirroring to likeability highlights how contextual the condition of "learn and know very little" is: If someone had less experience reading others' body language and managing their own, mirroring might be an extremely difficult task. But since you happen to have already paid attention to reading and managing body language, "how to use mirroring" is a missing link to connect those existing skills into a whole greater than the sum of its parts.

Your question and example read to me as "based on FinalFormula2's current skillset, which subjects will they be surprised at the power and ease of, because they don't have that skill yet but they do have all the high-effort prerequisites already in place?"

The trouble with trying to give answers you'll find good is that you've offered very little information about where you're at right now. To turn it around, what subjects seem more difficult than they should be to you?

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comment by FinalFormal2 · 2024-01-26T17:30:45.558Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That's an interesting idea! I think it's really cool when things come easily, but I know it's not going to generally be the case- I'm probably going to have to put some work in.

My priority is more on the 'high-utility' part than anything. 

Something that seems like it should be easy but is actually difficult for me is executive functioning- getting myself to do things that I don't want to do. But that's more of a personal/mental health thing than anything.

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comment by nim · 2024-01-26T18:19:17.450Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

One approach that's helped me in the executive functioning department is choosing to believe that connecting long-term wants to short-term wants is itself a skill.

I don't want to touch a hot stove, and yet I don't frame my "not touching a hot stove" behavior as an executive function problem because there's no time scale on which I want it. I don't want to have touched the stove; that'd just hurt and be of no benefit to anybody.

I don't particularly right-now-want to go do half an hour of exercise and make a small increment of progress on each of several ongoing projects today, but I do frame that as an executive function problem, because I long-term-want those things -- I want to have done them.

It's tempting to default to setting first-order metrics of success: I'll know I did well if I'm in shape and my ongoing projects are completed on time, for instance. But I find it much more actionable and helpful to look at second-order metrics of success: is this approach causing me better or worse progress on my concrete goals than other approaches?

For me, shifting the focus from the infrequent feedback of project completion to the constant feedback of process efficacy is helpful for not getting bored and giving up. Shifting from optimizing outputs to optimizing the process also helps me look for smaller and more concrete indicators that the process is working. I personally find that the most concrete and reliable "having my shit together" indicator is whether I'm keeping my home tidy, because that's always the first thing to go when I start dropping the ball on progress on my ongoing tasks in general. Yours may differ, but I suspect that addressing the alignment problem of coordinating your short-term wants with your long-term wants may be a more promising approach than trying to brute force through the wall of "don't wanna".