Probability of death by suicide by a 26 year old
post by John Wiseman (john-wiseman) · 2024-12-14T03:33:02.052Z · LW · GW · 4 commentsContents
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The probability of a 26 year old dying of suicide in any given month (within the month of being named the key witness in the OpenAI copyright case, right before deposition) is roughly 1 in 100,000. Of course, the LessWrong community will shrug it off as a mere coincidence because computing the implications is just beyond the comfort level of everyone on this forum. The probability of any ex-OpenAI researcher dying in the past year is roughly 1 in 100 (as far as I know, this has not happened.)
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comment by Joseph Miller (Josephm) · 2024-12-14T05:40:39.763Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
It does seem pretty suspicious.
I'm like 98% confident this was not foul-play, partly because I doubt whatever evidence he had would be that important to the court case and obviously his death is going to draw far more attention to his view.
However, 98% is still quite worrying and I wish I could be >99% confident. I will be interested to see if there is further evidence. Given OpenAI's very shady behavior with the secret non-disparagement agreements that came out a few months, it doesn't seem completely impossible they might do this (but still very very unlikely imo).
The probability of a 26 year old dying of suicide in any given month (within the month of being named the key witness in the OpenAI copyright case, right before deposition) is roughly 1 in 100,000
This prior is a useful starting point, but you've definitely got to account for the stress of leaving OpenAI and going through a lawsuit.
(I downvoted this post for combative tone.)
Replies from: tylerjohnston↑ comment by tylerjohnston · 2024-12-14T20:47:24.483Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I agree with your odds, or perhaps mine are a bit higher (99.5%?). But if there were foul play, I'd sooner point the finger at national security establishment than OpenAI. As far as I know, intelligence agencies committing murder is much more common than companies doing so. And OpenAI's progress is seen as critically important to both.
comment by Nick_Tarleton · 2024-12-15T03:39:17.431Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Among 'hidden actions OpenAI could have taken that could (help) explain his death', I'd put harassment well above murder.
Of course, the LessWrong community will shrug it off as a mere coincidence because computing the implications is just beyond the comfort level of everyone on this forum.
Please don't do this.