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comment by Dagon · 2020-05-19T16:46:27.368Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I agree they're not the same, but I don't think this post really lays out the ways they differ, nor does it explain why Crowdaction is a better solution to which problems.

I think the primary difference is that a DAC uses money as a measure of commitment and incentive. Crowdaction uses ... social approbation? Feelings of acceptance and participation?

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comment by B Jacobs (Bob Jacobs) · 2020-05-19T17:52:08.272Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

In my post on Crowdaction I laid out a Crowdaction site which also uses money. In retrospect I should've talked about DAC in my original post, but I didn't because 1: I failed to predict that someone would make a reply to my post that states we should replace Crowdaction with DAC, and 2: I didn't think I should be rehashing too much known information and instead wanted to explore my own new ideas.

This post is just there to 1: point out that this idea of Eapache [LW · GW] already exist and to point to the existing literature on it, and 2: To say that we can't replace DAC with crowdaction because they play to different markets. I didn't want to repeat everything I already said about Crowdaction in my post from three days ago which is why this post is significantly shorter than my original post.

comment by [deleted] · 2020-05-19T23:17:42.514Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for clarifying this. I got confused because in the original Inadequate Equilibria sequence, Eliezer uses a bunch of examples that require DAC to solve, but then gestures in the direction of Kickstarter/Crowdaction.

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comment by B Jacobs (Bob Jacobs) · 2020-05-20T08:07:25.638Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Yeah I thought that was strange as well, Eliezer has a knack for almost perfectly describing new ideas. The thing is, DAC is probably more doable than Crowdaction because of political association. As I said in a comment [LW(p) · GW(p)], political action coordination probably means the site will be associated with whoever uses it first, making it 'icky' for other ideologies to use. But I don't want to give up on this idea just yet because it can be sooo powerful to solve blindingly obvious problems that everyone agrees on but we still can't fix (like e.g leaving facebook).