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Comment by eigen on [deleted post] 2019-12-30T13:55:06.601Z

Huh, I understand where you're coming from. Especially, this:

[...] a kidney stone increases my level of baseline fear

Since I did not consider it. It's completely possible to imagine a world where your baseline fear increases ever so slightly in a way that outweighs the fact of knowing what may be going on when it hits you.

But –though I concede your point– is your behavior someway modified, at any rate, given the fact that you may get hit by kidney stones? For example, say, analogizing with family history of high blood pressure, I would most likely take some precaution measures if I knew high blood pressure (or kidney stones) were in my family. Precautions that I wouldn't have taken in the case where I'm oblivious to my inclination for such diseases.

Comment by eigen on LoganStrohl's Shortform · 2019-12-30T12:59:23.472Z · LW · GW

I think that most of what I've gotten out of the Sequences is actually this. The act of noticing. I think it not only applies to shame, but to many more related internal conflicts.

In my experience, it's surprising the amount which we can learn by applying procedures such as the method you outline. Hopefully we get to see more about this.

Comment by eigen on [deleted post] 2019-12-30T11:20:28.893Z

While I think, the Typical Mind Fallacy is strong with this one; the post does have some good bits. I messaged him privately my problems with it, but I up-voted since I think the post taps into something broader and good which I would like to read more about.

Comment by eigen on [deleted post] 2019-12-30T11:16:09.802Z

Hey Isnasene, I agree with most of what you say; but I do have a point to make about what I think is the sense of this post.

1. Less confusion means that people have better models of their environment,
2. which means they have better control over their environment,
3. which reduces uncertainty and fear,

While I do not agree completely with agai, I also do not agree with the other extreme, which is what you propose:

is false. Having an understanding of kidney stones doesn't give me any more control over kidney stones. Understanding kidney stone treatments doesn't give me any more control over kidney stones. Getting treatment from people who have the tools to treat kidney stones gives me a little bit of control.

How many people end up in the emergency room not knowing what they have? The fact that you have, at least, a bit of understanding about kidney stones (like your family's history), does give you a control about them. Alas, not a complete control, but way better than the alternative. Thus, the very moment you feel pain in a very localized zone, you can hurry and see the doctor. That's pretty much the way I would define a good model.

Don't you think that the fear you would feel when succumbing to the pain of kidney stones and not knowing what you have is greater than the fear (that you do not have) of getting kidney stones? This is a case where an accurate model of the world does indeed reduce your fear and uncertainty.

Comment by eigen on Good goals for leveling up? · 2019-12-30T00:47:35.589Z · LW · GW

This is a great comment!

I think,

Holistic leveling up would then consist of making a list of all "required" things, evaluating sincerely how good you are at each of them, and focusing on the ones you have most neglected. Plus doing something about your selected "optional" thing.

there is a lot of value on just thinking on what our values are, what we need and feel we need, and what the best course of action is (while also committing); but the framework of these "required" and "optional" framework makes it better, especially when coupled with the idea of following the things which are likely to provide most benefit!


On the other hand the last paragraphs deserve another post on their own, I remember Eliezer writing that any writer has at least 1million words that need to get out before writing the real stuff. I would say, “don't push that million on me!”

Anyways, welcome John Igo, I really like it when new users read the stuff that the community is really about.

Comment by eigen on Vaccine... Help? Deprogramming? Something? · 2019-12-28T19:11:11.992Z · LW · GW

Sorry, I noticed that other people did that thing and it seemed sort of funny to me. But anyways, I hope I made my point somewhat clear and this post –and all the comments in it– overall helps you; I think it did.

Comment by eigen on Vaccine... Help? Deprogramming? Something? · 2019-12-27T23:41:10.030Z · LW · GW

Yeah… that is not what I mean at all. You want a site, what about this one or SSC? I hardly think that you need any research paper, or meta-analyses (although, you can most certainly find them.)

Instead, if what you need is to "beat" your uncle by telling him, “You see… I've got this paper right here, Golden et al. Which Indicates that the aluminum and thimerosal content within vaccines is not harmful at all...” Then you need another thing. And that is not the solution to your problem. If what you are, is involved in a domination game right here, right now in the middle of Christmas then the solution is to pass! And of course, to vaccinate your children, and persuade everyone to vaccinate their children (Or you know… give them a pass on the genetic pool? — I joke, of course.)

For next year your uncle will come and say, “The earth? Yeah, it's flat.” You will get wide-eyed, you will shrug and say, “No uncle, not again!” And then, you will get at the right solution.

Comment by eigen on Vaccine... Help? Deprogramming? Something? · 2019-12-27T22:59:28.962Z · LW · GW

Right. You are looking for why your uncle and his claims, such as:

My relative claims that aluminum and thimerosal content within vaccines can cause serious negative side effects...

are wrong, but here you're not going to find them, that is my point. What you are going to find is how to judge scientific consensus (and trust it) and if you read that article, then you understand. This is not even a trolley problem as Viliam has suggested, they do not happen in real life; we do not live in that inadequate world. There are inadequate parts in this world, but this is not one.

Comment by eigen on Vaccine... Help? Deprogramming? Something? · 2019-12-27T22:37:02.853Z · LW · GW

Given the plenty of debate, out there right now, on this very subject — I don't think it very wise to start laying out claims here left and right. Especially those about your relative (who cares about those, right?) I recommend you a particular article, about how to deal which such stuff:

The Control Group Is Out Of Control

Bayesian statistics, alone among these first eight, ought to be able to help with this problem. After all, a good Bayesian should be able to say “Well, I got some impressive results, but my prior for [parapsychology] is very low, so this raises my belief in [parapsychology] slightly, but raises my belief that the experiments were confounded a lot.”

You don't have to become an anti-vaxxer just by hearing about some convincing evidence (which may be right or not) but instead become a bit more skeptic on the subject, that is, until you become better informed. That is, also, until you can better differentiate anecdotal and scientific evidence. If we cannot take this into consideration, and if things have to be either white or black, then, we are in for a very wild ride.

Comment by eigen on eigen's Shortform · 2019-12-24T16:42:58.598Z · LW · GW

Happy Christmas and Merry Chanukah!

Comment by eigen on NaiveTortoise's Short Form Feed · 2019-12-24T16:32:11.345Z · LW · GW

For the record I'm one who downvoted Mark; I don't agree with him and I think it sad that you, an1lam, removed the original post which I don't think did any harm whatsoever (reasons should be pretty obvious, a random short-form post about an hypothetical movie somehow it's evidence that Hal was Satoshi? I do not think so at all.)

Comment by eigen on Open & Welcome Thread - December 2019 · 2019-12-24T11:11:43.180Z · LW · GW

First, thank you so much for helping me. No, those are not the comments I had in mind.

It was more something like the texts he has up on his web-page:

It was concise and technical (Like, let X be the set of decisions you could make... and the conclusion was why it does make sense to decide things on a week by week basis) and I think it was just a comment here on this website, but I am not sure. Anyways, don't waste time looking, I just searched a bit more and I could not find it; I will, most likely, message him after the holidays.

Comment by eigen on eigen's Shortform · 2019-12-24T00:03:37.268Z · LW · GW

Re-posted here:

Comment by eigen on Open & Welcome Thread - December 2019 · 2019-12-24T00:01:31.742Z · LW · GW

I'm looking for a comment from /u/wei_dai; it had something to do along the lines of deciding what to work on (or do, or study) week by week, and then updating/changing after the week (maybe in a post about UDT?) Does someone know what I'm talking about? Search function, wei_dai posts and google has turned up nothing. Thanks for anyone's help!

Comment by eigen on NaiveTortoise's Short Form Feed · 2019-12-23T23:55:50.351Z · LW · GW

*writing the movie right now*

Relevant here:

Comment by eigen on eigen's Shortform · 2019-12-23T23:53:19.979Z · LW · GW

I'm looking for a post from /u/wei_dai; it had something to do along the lines of deciding what to work on (or do, or study) week by week, and then updating/changing after the week (maybe in a post about UDT?) Does someone know what I'm talking about? Search function, wei_dai posts and google has turned up nothing. Thanks for anyone's help!

Comment by eigen on eigen's Shortform · 2019-12-23T23:49:39.222Z · LW · GW

I've heard some critiques to the part of the sequences concerning Quantum Mechanics and Conscience; but I always considered those as a demonstration of applied rationality, say, “How do we get to the correct answer by applying what we've learned?”

This is way more obvious and way more clear in Inadequate Equilibria. Take a problem, a question and deconstruct it completely. It was concise and to the point, I think it's one of the best things Eliezer has written; I cannot recommend it enough.

Comment by eigen on Annual review and daily tracker template files (in google doc/sheets) · 2019-12-22T23:34:05.666Z · LW · GW

This is a great idea. Thanks a lot for sharing.

Comment by eigen on LW For External Comments? · 2019-12-08T15:43:35.063Z · LW · GW

This is a great idea!

I'm mostly saddened by the comments I miss on Scott Alexander's blog posts given that the Wordpress comment system is pretty simple IMO (contrasted with LW, there are ~300 comments on each post of The Codex on Scott's blog while the same posts here only have a few comments, maybe ~3.)

Comment by eigen on Open & Welcome Thread - November 2019 · 2019-12-02T22:53:09.406Z · LW · GW

Curious to know if you got better; care to update?

Comment by eigen on Open & Welcome Thread - November 2019 · 2019-12-02T22:37:20.980Z · LW · GW

I'll read it.

Comment by eigen on eigen's Shortform · 2019-12-01T14:32:16.003Z · LW · GW

Has someone re-read the sequences? did you find value in doing so?

Further, I do think the comments on each of the essays are worthy of reading, something I did not do the first time. I can pinpoint a few comments from people in this community on the essays which were very insightful! I wonder if I lost something by not participating in it or by not having read all the comments when I was reading the sequences.

Comment by eigen on eigen's Shortform · 2019-12-01T14:28:25.780Z · LW · GW

Thank you. I did not consider the book. Have you or someone read it? I think I'm going to go the route of the articles mentioned in the post I linked.

Comment by eigen on A Practical Theory of Memory Reconsolidation · 2019-12-01T14:26:31.106Z · LW · GW

I'm always surprised by how people construct their idea of identity; I worry that it may be putting obstacles on what you want to achieve.

Relationships are forming and breaking all the time; you are bound to find someone who will love you if you are looking for it and nothing stands in your way, that's a fact of modern life and evidence is overwhelming.

I do think, that coming here is the right step to make, it has certainly helped me. Welcome.

Comment by eigen on A Practical Theory of Memory Reconsolidation · 2019-12-01T14:18:17.286Z · LW · GW

I do feel like the mental mountains post, this sequence and Kaj's work is kind of a branching point for the community, one where we may be able to really, really get at a systematized way of changing our minds.

I wonder if someone is going to come forth with a concrete example just like Richard's in the book; that way we can track progress in a more meaningful way. I know it may be kind of weird, but it would make the results much more substantial.

Comment by eigen on eigen's Shortform · 2019-11-30T13:21:11.630Z · LW · GW

Eliezer has the sequences, Scott the Codex; what does Robin Hanson have? Can someone point me to a direction where I could start reading his posts in a manner that makes sense? I found this post: which may be helpful, does someone have an opinion on this?

Comment by eigen on Prescriptions, Paradoxes, and Perversities · 2019-10-27T18:38:31.157Z · LW · GW

You can find discussion of this post on Scott's Blog.

Comment by eigen on NaiveTortoise's Short Form Feed · 2019-10-24T00:16:53.721Z · LW · GW

Got it! then I agree with you. I think that a best description of my point would be that yeah, these guys are not burning calories by thinking better or harder. Their exercise plus the higher stress environment could account alone for their high amount burn of calories.

Comment by eigen on NaiveTortoise's Short Form Feed · 2019-10-23T23:57:14.905Z · LW · GW

The ESPN article had a misleading title. They go on to say that a player burns 6000 calories a day , but Caruana runs an hour a day (or more). These Grandmasters are not reaching into some esoteric mental ability and burning more calories that way; if anyone has ever seen a Grandmaster play against many players at once, or blindfolded (or even blindfolded and against many players!) one can really understand that they see the board in a way that's pretty different from us.

The classical theory for this is that they have formed bigger/better chunks than us from excessive playing (the very same way a Mathematician or a Basketball player does). Calorie consumption, is thus correlation in that specific context.

Although, I think, a (weak) connection could be made between the use of Language and these chunks formations or using this chunks (who's to say this is not a specialized use of Language?) for the context of a tournament, but I have yet to see anything that support this idea.

Comment by eigen on Deleted · 2019-10-23T17:12:33.667Z · LW · GW

I understood OP as looking for unpopular beliefs that many people have; not only one random person. I've never heard anyone have this belief before so I think, therefore, it does not apply.

Comment by eigen on Where to absolutely start? · 2019-10-23T00:08:46.013Z · LW · GW

You can really test the waters and see for yourself; it's not that the content is going to go anywhere.

With that said, I started with the sequences (R:A-Z) and while reading it, I also read HPMOR (which being fiction, it was a really fast read). Then I mixed some of CODEX in there. (So that's the order I recommend following).

HPMOR really ruined a big chunk of fiction for me; there are no characters with the self-awareness that those on HPMOR have.

In The CODEX, when Scott Alexander tries to find if AA works, he cannot resist himself but to dig deeper and look at the underlying reason of why something is the way it's. Just like a physicist looking at natural phenomena, he investigates, just as well, human nature.

The Sequences changed my mind.

Comment by eigen on Open & Welcome Thread - October 2019 · 2019-10-16T23:43:58.996Z · LW · GW

Oh wow, welcome. I've read many essays on your blog and I think they are great.

I believe you'll find a lot of content (and people) here, who also share the noble pursuit of your blog.

Comment by eigen on What are your strategies for avoiding micro-mistakes? · 2019-10-07T22:41:51.117Z · LW · GW

This is an excellent answer and I want to highlight that making Anki flashcards is especially useful in this case. I rarely make a mistake when I'm working with mathematics only because of the fact that I have made myself a lot of Anki cards thoroughly analyzing the concepts I use.

Using spaced repetition systems to see through a piece of mathematics, an essay by Michael Nielsen was really useful for me when initially investigating this idea.

Besides this, I have - what may be an eccentric idea - that when working I set special music soundtrack for the specific work I do. See here for more details about this. Further, I think this idea about having a "ritual" is very related to not making mistakes, "getting in the zone", etc.

Comment by eigen on Honoring Petrov Day on LessWrong, in 2019 · 2019-10-02T22:42:17.341Z · LW · GW

The fact that it's a joke is non-important; the fact that it's a bad joke is.

Maybe don't make a bad joke and think that people cannot take it, consider that maybe it's just bad.

Comment by eigen on Open & Welcome Thread - September 2019 · 2019-09-25T18:31:14.622Z · LW · GW
As part of my own pursuit of truth, I’ve developed methods, techniques, and attitudes that could be thought of as an approach to “rationality”. These techniques, methods, etc., differ from those I’ve seen promulgated by rationalists, so hopefully there’s room for a good discussion, and maybe we can bridge some inferential distance :).

Quite interested about this, hopefully you write more about it.


Comment by eigen on [deleted post] 2019-09-24T22:46:13.685Z

Got it. Thank you for the suggestions; we'll see!

Comment by eigen on Sunny's Shortform · 2019-09-24T22:21:03.506Z · LW · GW

How likely is it now that you are going to miss any more assignments? Not likely at all!

Comment by eigen on [deleted post] 2019-09-24T22:16:33.766Z

I find this wildly untrue, although I will try it.

Comment by eigen on Don't clean your glasses · 2019-09-24T18:18:11.473Z · LW · GW

Is this a joke?

Anyways, I find that if I don't clean my glasses or whatever; that somehow evolves on to not cleaning my office, etc. Quite the slippery slope for me, so it's definitely a NO.

Comment by eigen on hunterglenn's Shortform · 2019-09-21T01:06:25.360Z · LW · GW

This was a beautiful read, thank you hunterglenn.

not thinking about certain, specific truths, doesn't mean thinking falsehoods instead, and it doesn't mean running away from the truth.

Much of what you wrote I hold really close. Truths which are at the forefront of my mind.

Once you get rid of falsehoods; you need to move on to choose truths.

your brain has a miniature explosion, a little burst of positive emotion, as it accurately models how the child feels about this.

That is an awesome thing everyone should feel. That's how deep the rabbit hole goes, deep truth hides in that; the nihilism, the ‘nada’ is easy to have! Not worth it.

Comment by eigen on How has rationalism helped you? · 2019-09-18T19:59:13.375Z · LW · GW

Thank you for an excellent answer and for sharing your experience. I'm glad you're doing better now!

I agree very much, BTW, on the ‘rationality vs emotion dichotomy’ view of Yudkowsky and I'm glad he addressed that early in the sequences.

Comment by eigen on Benito's Shortform Feed · 2019-09-04T00:03:05.791Z · LW · GW


It may be more apt for the fifth post in his sequence (Stories About Progress) but it's not posted yet. But I think it sort-of works in both and it's more of a shortform comment than anything!

Comment by eigen on Benito's Shortform Feed · 2019-09-03T15:30:53.602Z · LW · GW

I remember the narrative breaking, really hard, in two particular occasions:

  • The twin towers attack.
  • The 2008 mortgage financial crisis.

I don't think, particularly, that the narrative is broken now, but I think that it has lost some of its harmony (Trump having won the 2014 elections, I believe, is a symptom of that).

This is very close to what fellows like Thiel and Weinstein are talking about. In this particular sense, yes, I understand it's crucial to maintain the narrative although I don't know anymore whose job it's—to keep it from breaking out entirely (for example, say, in a explosion of the American student debt, or China going awry with its USD holdings).

These stories are not part of any law of our universe, so they are bound to break at anytime. It takes only a few smart, uncaring individuals to tear at the fabric of reality until it breaks—that is not okay!

So that it's why I believe is happening at the macro-narrative; but to be more directed towards the individual, which is what your post seems to hint at, I don't think for a second that your life does not run from narrative, maybe that's a narrative itself. I believe further that some rituals are important to keep and to have an individual story is important to be able to do any work we deem important.

Comment by eigen on Peter Thiel/Eric Weinstein Transcript on Growth, Violence, and Stories · 2019-09-02T15:42:08.142Z · LW · GW

Quite the contrary; my point being, since I do not care for that being on the episode I classified it as "meh", thus I do not care for that in LessWrong. If there's one thing which I agree strongly with the sequences is that Politics is the Mind-Killer.

Comment by eigen on Eli's shortform feed · 2019-09-01T17:13:13.623Z · LW · GW

I think about this a lot. I'm currently dangling with the fourth Hypothesis, which seems more correct to me and one where I can actually do something to ameliorate the trade-off implied by it.

In this comment, I talk what it means to me and how I can do something about it, which ,in summary, is to use Anki a lot and change subjects when working memory gets overloaded. It's important to note that mathematics is sort-of different from another subjects, since concepts build on each other and you need to keep up with what all of them mean and entail, so we may be bound to reach an overload faster in that sense.

A few notes about your other hypothesis:

Hypothesis 1c:

it doesn’t seem obvious why the computations of doing math would be more costly than those for watching TV.

It's because we're not used to it. Some things come easier than other; some things are more closely similar to what we have been doing for 60000 years (math is not one of them). So we flinch from that which we are not use to. Although, adaptation is easy and the major hurdle is only at the beginning.

This seems plausible for the activity of doing math, which involves many moments of frustration, which might be meaningfully micro-painful.

It may also mean that the reward system is different. Is difficult to see on a piece of mathematics, as we explore it, how fulfilling it's when we know that we may not be getting anywhere. So the inherent reward is missing or has to be more artificially created.

Hypothesis 1d:

It seems plausible that mentally taxing activities are taxing to the extent that they involve processing ambiguity, and doing a search for the best template to apply.

This seems correct to me. Consider the following: “This statement is false”.

Thinking about it for a few minutes (or iterations of that statement) is quickly bound to make us flinch away in just a few seconds. How many other things take this form? I bet there are many.

For the monkeys that had “really good” plans for how to achieve their goals, never panned out for them. The monkeys that were impulsive some of the time, actually did better at the reproduction game?

Instead of working to trust System 2 is it there a way to train System 1? It seems more apt to me, like training tactics in chess or to make rapid calculations.

Thank you for the good post, I'd really like to further know more about your findings.

Comment by eigen on Habryka's Shortform Feed · 2019-08-31T16:51:53.379Z · LW · GW

Yes, fiction has a lot of potential to change mindsets. Many Philosophers actually look at the greatest novel writers to infer the motives and the solutions their heroes to come up with general theories that touch the very core of how our society is laid out.

Most of this come from the fact that we are already immersed in a meta-story, externally and internally. Much of our efforts are focused on internal rationalizations to gain something where a final outcome has been already thought out, this being consciously known to us or not.

I think that in fiction this is laid out perfectly. So analyzing fiction is rewarding in a sense. Specially when realizing that when we go to exams or interviews we're rapidly immersing ourselves in an isolated story with motives and objectives (what we expect to happen), we create our own little world, our own little stories.

Comment by eigen on lionhearted's Shortform · 2019-08-31T16:32:23.280Z · LW · GW

I like "decision-making" the most.

I think if your aim is to communicate then indeed we have communicated by using any of the three forms. But for me, the three are slightly different. I think it depends on the context most of the time. For example, "decision-making", for me, relates more to the cognitive process as it's studied and its research and "decision making" to the act of making decisions.

Comment by eigen on Peter Thiel/Eric Weinstein Transcript on Growth, Violence, and Stories · 2019-08-31T16:27:45.484Z · LW · GW

I've listened to the episode a few days back (this is an excellent post and transcript btw).

Even though they pin-point varies issues in society such as radical leftism, stagnation in the Scientific community, the student debt, etc; In my opinion, most of the episode was "meh" (Ignoring also that they are two outsiders of academia criticizing it so much and that Weinstein claims that he has a unifying theory of Physics!).

The thing which interested me the most was the bit about Mimetic Theory. I'm surprised at how evident it's what he is saying.

How the theories of Rene Girard are an antidote to strong libertarian impulses.

So, I think there's so much more to Rene Girard than an antidote to "libertarian impulses". For me, this was the biggest takeaway of the entire podcast and shed a new light on Thiel's book: Zero To One and his investment philosophy (e.g. Facebook).

We are so worried about the desires of our neighbors that we do not realize the web of opportunities that hides on what we're not seeing. Re-contextualizing our desires and analyzing them is key in creative and innovative work and much of these ideas I take from Thiel and Rene Girard.

Comment by eigen on How to Make Billions of Dollars Reducing Loneliness · 2019-08-31T01:40:58.992Z · LW · GW

But assuming there's something as "a loneliness crisis" (which I don't think there is, at least not in the west).

Then what would be a solution to it: friendship or community?

Basing community on your definition which I agree.

Comment by eigen on How to Make Billions of Dollars Reducing Loneliness · 2019-08-31T01:28:46.672Z · LW · GW

Putting aside the technological requirements of the product, and the big investment an individual would have to make in order to carry this forth. Your premise is that there's a crisis of loneliness and the solution is to have people live with each other. I just don't see how that's evident.

Furthermore, you talk about AirBNB (stands for airbed and breakfast) which started as making a bed (airbed) and breakfast for a guest, a stranger, in your house! most of the interviews I read/listen about those guys (I think Brian Chesky it's a quite interesting character) they had not idea about what they were making at the beginning, now they have the beneffit of hindsight and the product is definitely not based on house-sharing.

I think more of what AllAmericanBreakfast talks about is closer to a solution to the "lonely" crisis

When people do try and start intentional group houses, they're often organized around a shared social movement, which already have word-of-mouth and social media channels where people can learn about these opportunities for free.

Besides that, I do see value in making something easier which now is somewhat hard, although I don't think the defining feature of the product would be to mix people who like the same food, game, etc...

But you do propose interesting features of a product, I do see a lot of value in this:

Since a hypothetical roommate matching service has a birds-eye view of everyone who's searching for rooms, it can deal better with managing house cultural changes in a sensible way when multiple rooms open up at once.

Or fixing the problem of community in a broader sense.

But if you are not willing to jump in why should anyone else bother? Startup founders who are passionate about what they make are the most important predictors of success, no one who is browsing Lesswrong or the Effective Altruism Forum will suddenly find their passion and make a billion dollars of it.