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Philosophical theory with an empirical prediction 2016-10-28T16:14:16.480Z · score: -3 (4 votes)
Trying to find a short story 2016-10-25T02:27:42.156Z · score: 0 (5 votes)
Reflexive self-processing is literally infinitely simpler than a many world interpretation 2015-11-13T14:46:32.346Z · score: -9 (10 votes)
Facing the Intelligence Explosion 2014-07-29T02:16:17.135Z · score: 4 (7 votes)

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Comment by mgin on Philosophical theory with an empirical prediction · 2019-12-23T19:46:57.100Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Well my motive is a belief in the impossibility of the contrary.

If some things can be made out of other things, it seems pretty reasonable that the behavior of the one things would also be somehow made out of the behavior of the others.

Sure, but let me give an example based on an analogy: when you have a group of soldiers formed into a fighting platoon, they behave very differently than when you have a group of soldiers formed into a search and rescue party. Both groups have very different behavior despite being constituted by the same units.

For this reason it would be unsurprising if you could take the same constituent particles and form a nearly perfectly deterministic machine out of them in a computer processor, while still retaining the possibility that the particles can act differently and non-deterministically in other contexts.

The analogy of the quark to a human being soldier, who can act differently as a part of some higher organization is in one sense a good one, because I think in essence personhood must actually come from the quark level. I'm not an emergentist, so the ability of something like a person to exist in its own right and act "on its own", "of its own accord" - this cannot magically "arise" from otherwise deterministic components. So it must be baked in, all the way down to the lowest level. The lowest level components, quarks or what have you, must have an intrinsic ability to act "on their own" or "of their own accord", and not merely be simple mechanical units following simple, universal mathematical rules. Something about how they are combined or entangled together into macro-level objects must be meaningful to their own lowest-level behavior, if we believe these higher level things exist and act on their own at all and we are not emergentists.

What are you talking about specifically by "the quantum behavior we can't yet explain"?

isn't the classic quantum experiment with light an example of this? the mysterious "dual nature" of light as both particle and wave. when the photons are organized into a wave they behave differently than when they are disorganized individual particles. the whole odd thing about is understanding when and why it's one or the other, but indeed the very same constituents do seem to behave differently depending on whether they are particles or a wave.

Comment by mgin on Philosophical theory with an empirical prediction · 2016-11-03T14:22:22.434Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

I'm not really convinced that it's unlikely. Just because we can construct systems that are strongly deterministic at the macro level doesn't mean that the quantum behavior we can't yet explain isn't based in some way on the higher-level organization of the fundamental particles involved.

Comment by mgin on Philosophical theory with an empirical prediction · 2016-11-02T17:25:36.243Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

I understand your point, but I'd be interested to see this proven (or dis-proven) bottom-up from first principles... observing that something in particular (chlorophyll, photosynthesis, etc) reduces from the top down like this leaves too many holes for it to really disprove the idea (e.g. maybe this isn't a physical function that changes depending on higher-level organization).

I think the way to check this is that someone would have to come up with a specific theory that explains the currently-poorly-understood low-level behavior of fundamental particles based on the idea that the rules of their behavior depend on their higher-level organization.

Comment by mgin on Philosophical theory with an empirical prediction · 2016-11-02T17:15:09.091Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

So there is no conclusive proof either way.

This is what I suspected. But is there anyone studying quantum physics from this perspective? I'd like to see a theory of quantum physics based on this idea, but it's not my field at all. I'm wondering if anyone has looked into it from this perspective before.

Comment by mgin on Philosophical theory with an empirical prediction · 2016-10-29T16:08:39.716Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Basically the evidence is the opposite of what you hope it will be.

Can you please substantiate this claim?

Comment by mgin on Trying to find a short story · 2016-10-25T05:06:03.659Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

This is it! Wow. Thank you so much!

Comment by mgin on Trying to find a short story · 2016-10-25T02:44:55.787Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

It's not a book, it's a short story

Comment by mgin on Reflexive self-processing is literally infinitely simpler than a many world interpretation · 2015-11-18T03:45:17.030Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

doesn't gravity act at a distance? how is that "non-locality"?

Comment by mgin on Reflexive self-processing is literally infinitely simpler than a many world interpretation · 2015-11-14T18:46:29.038Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

it seems very philosophically appealing for many reasons, but I can't judge its merit as a theory of physics.

Comment by mgin on Reflexive self-processing is literally infinitely simpler than a many world interpretation · 2015-11-14T18:45:10.559Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

if you need everything to calculate anything, that's terrible

why?

Comment by mgin on Reflexive self-processing is literally infinitely simpler than a many world interpretation · 2015-11-14T18:42:25.856Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

having forces with infinite range doesnt imply nonlocality

isn't that what i'm saying? so why did you say no?

Comment by mgin on Stupid Questions December 2014 · 2014-12-08T22:05:37.306Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

Not to my knowledge, but they should have! PM me..

Comment by mgin on How can one change what they consider "fun"? · 2014-11-28T16:25:01.290Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

You need to be thoroughly convinced that what you want to do is the right thing to want. Then you just treat your other impulses like an irrational addiction that you must overcome.

If you get your mind right you should be able to go cold turkey.

Comment by mgin on Facing the Intelligence Explosion discussion page · 2014-07-26T13:11:39.100Z · score: 0 (0 votes) · LW · GW

The site is broken - english keeps redirecting to german.

Comment by mgin on Open Thread March 31 - April 7 2014 · 2014-04-03T01:16:41.134Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

I am curious if there are any wannabe seed AI researchers out there

Comment by mgin on Items to Have In Case of Emergency...Maybe. · 2014-04-03T01:13:26.448Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

fish antibiotics

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Comment by mgin on Why are we not starting to map human values? · 2014-01-23T00:16:26.546Z · score: 6 (6 votes) · LW · GW

I expect to need to solve the value-loading problem via indirect normativity rather than direct specification (see Bostrom 2014).

What does this mean?

Comment by mgin on 2013 Survey Results · 2014-01-22T14:07:18.207Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

I find it odd that 66.2% of LWers are "liberal" or "socialist" but only 13.8% of LWers consider themselves affiliated with the Democrat party. Can anybody explain this?

Comment by mgin on Thinking Fast and Slow for Kindle $3 at Amazon · 2013-12-25T17:49:02.011Z · score: 1 (1 votes) · LW · GW

Purchased; thanks!

Comment by mgin on MIRI course list study pairs · 2013-11-29T23:22:28.962Z · score: 2 (2 votes) · LW · GW

I would be very much interested in this!

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