[META] Karma, its positive and negative component

post by Thomas · 2012-01-25T21:31:05.607Z · LW · GW · Legacy · 22 comments

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I'd like to see, beside the cumulative karma as it is now, also its analytic. Does my 0 points somewhere means no upvotes and no downvotes or +7 and -7, for example?

A timeline graph would also be appreciated.

 

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comment by NancyLebovitz · 2012-01-26T09:29:57.854Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I'd like to see recent karma changes for my comments and posts.

Replies from: TimS
comment by TimS · 2012-01-26T17:22:38.099Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I'd love that too, but my understanding is that it is exceedingly hard to implement.

comment by amcknight · 2012-01-26T21:09:17.498Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I want to vote for and against the same post sometimes. Not too useful, but might help for ordering by controversial

comment by Grognor · 2012-01-26T15:06:03.620Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I've been clamoring to see the upvotes and downvotes for comments since the beginning.

I've never seen a case for the current system as opposed to the more informative system.

I'm tired of the lack of acknowledgement that this position even exists, but I don't see that ever changing.

Replies from: lukeprog, thomblake
comment by lukeprog · 2012-01-26T17:12:10.769Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Position acknowledged.

comment by thomblake · 2012-01-26T17:20:21.441Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This has been on the issues list forever.

comment by [deleted] · 2012-01-25T21:36:02.358Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Also, can we change things to only show votes for our own posts? Vote being visible is too much priming that leads to too much hivemind.

Replies from: falenas108, Unnamed, thomblake, faul_sname
comment by falenas108 · 2012-01-25T23:08:35.353Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Although it does cause some hiveminding, I like that the votes are visible to everyone. Many times I'm just skimming past comments, and if I see a +20 I know the person probably said something important, whereas otherwise I might have skipped over it.

Replies from: faul_sname
comment by faul_sname · 2012-01-26T00:32:18.364Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Though, as a general rule, we probably shouldn't upvote comments found in this way.

Edit: and this comment is a perfect example of why we shouldn't. Ironically.

comment by Unnamed · 2012-01-26T02:49:39.257Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

There's a Less Wrong anti-kibitzer which you can install in your browser to hide that info.

comment by thomblake · 2012-01-25T22:10:29.963Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Vote being visible is too much priming that leads to too much hivemind.

Meh. It also leads to corrective votes and pointing out when something is hidden that isn't that bad.

comment by faul_sname · 2012-01-25T22:38:41.299Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Yes, great comment. I knew it would be good as soon as I say that it was rated +2.

Seriously, though, showing votes for only your own posts would probably be a large improvement. Why are votes even visible? Make it so we still can have a comment rating threshold, but can't see karma otherwise.

Replies from: Normal_Anomaly
comment by Normal_Anomaly · 2012-01-28T19:06:10.526Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

The anti-kibitzer will do that, though it also hides poster names (which I felt was preventing me from getting to know anyone). It's accessible from your account settings.

(Edited for politer tone)

Replies from: faul_sname
comment by faul_sname · 2012-01-29T07:31:58.222Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Awesome. Thank you.

comment by Bogomilist · 2012-01-25T22:55:08.982Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

It's somewhat annoying that I can't post until I get karma.

Replies from: Emile, FAWS, faul_sname
comment by Emile · 2012-01-25T22:58:29.303Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

But do you find it annoying that other people can't post until they get karma? Do you wish there were more top-level posts by people with no karma?

(or, to make even more of a leading question, do you wish that new people who had an idea for a post but no karma didn't lurk and comment for a week or two before showing their idea?)

comment by FAWS · 2012-01-25T23:58:00.746Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

By posting a comment in the welcome thread you can pretty reliably get enough karma to post in the discussion section.

Replies from: Bogomilist
comment by Bogomilist · 2012-01-26T01:08:15.655Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That was helpful, thanks! That would have been difficult for me to find otherwise.

comment by faul_sname · 2012-01-25T23:45:47.911Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

One word: spambots.

Replies from: Viliam_Bur
comment by Viliam_Bur · 2012-01-26T09:58:21.395Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Maybe we could use the same mechanism to protect LW wiki from spambots. The wiki registration page would be available only to people with karma at least... well, 1 should be enough. Reaching karma 1 should be trivial for any LW member, and pretty difficult for a generic spambot.

Replies from: MixedNuts, Normal_Anomaly
comment by MixedNuts · 2012-01-26T19:52:42.596Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Technical difficulties of merging the two currently independent login systems.

comment by Normal_Anomaly · 2012-01-28T19:05:08.675Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I support this enough to make a comment in addition to upvoting. Whenever I check the wiki's recent changes page, way too many of the recent changes are spambots creating accounts or Vladimir_Nesov killing them. As MixedNuts points out, the code end is difficult, but the fix would be highly appreciated.