Learned pain as a leading cause of chronic pain

post by SoerenMind · 2025-04-09T11:57:58.523Z · LW · GW · 13 comments

Contents

  Key claims
  My personal experience with with chronic pains and sudden relief
  What is neuroplastic (learned) pain?
  Strength of evidence
  Why we learn pain
  Diagnosing neuroplastic pain
  Case study: my diagnosis
  Belief barriers
  Treatment Approaches
    Pain neuroscience education
    Threat Reprocessing
    General emotional regulation and stress reduction
    Traditional medical treatments
  Resources
    Books
    Treatment Programs
    Therapists
    Online Resources
  Appendix: Chronic fatigue, dizziness, nausea etc
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13 comments

Epistemic status: Amateur synthesis of medical research that is still recent but now established enough to make it into modern medical textbooks. Some specific claims vary in evidence strength. I’ve spent ~20-30 hours studying the literature and treatment approaches, which were very effective for me.

Disclaimer: I'm not a medical professional. This information is educational only, not medical advice. Consult healthcare providers for medical conditions.

Key claims

This post builds on previous discussions about the fear-pain cycle [LW · GW] and learned chronic pain [LW · GW]. The post adds the following claims:

  1. Neuroplastic pain - pain learned by the brain (and/or spinal cord) - is a well-evidenced phenomenon and widely accepted in modern medical research (very high confidence).
  2. It explains many forms of chronic pain previously attributed to structural causes - not just wrist pain and back pain (high confidence). Other conditions include everything from pain in the knees, pelvis, bowels, neck, and the brain itself (headaches). Some practitioners also treat chronic fatigue (inc. Long-COVID), dizziness and nausea in a similar way but I haven't dug into this.
  3. It may be one of the most common or even the single most common cause of chronic pain (moderate confidence).
  4. There are increasingly useful resources, well-tested treatments with very large effect size, and trained practitioners.
  5. Doctors are often unaware that neuroplastic pain exists because the research is recent and not their specialty. They often attribute it to tissue damage or structural causes like minor findings in medical imaging and biomechanical or blood diagnostics, which often fuels the fear-pain cycle.

My personal experience with with chronic pains and sudden relief

My first chronic pain developed in the tendons behind my knee after running. Initially manageable, it progressed until I couldn't stand or walk for more than a few minutes without triggering days of pain. Medical examinations revealed inflammation and structural changes in the tendons. The prescribed treatments—exercises, rest, stretching, steroid injections—provided no meaningful relief.

Later, I developed unexplained tailbone pain when sitting. This quickly became my dominant daily discomfort. Specialists at leading medical centers identified a bone spur on my tailbone and unanimously concluded it was the cause. Months later, I felt a distinct poking sensation near the bone spur site, accompanied by painful friction when walking. Soon after, my pelvic muscles began hurting, and the pain continued spreading. Steroid injections made it somewhat more tolerable, but despite consulting multiple specialists, the only thing that helped was carrying a specially shaped sitting pillow everywhere.

None of these pains appeared psychosomatic to me or to my doctors. The sensations felt physically specific and emerged in plausible patterns that medical professionals could link to structural abnormalities they observed in imaging.

Yet after 2-3 years of daily pain, all of these symptoms largely disappeared within 2 months. For reasons I'll touch on below, it was obvious that the improvements resulted from targeted psychological approaches focused on 'unlearning' pain patterns.  This post covers these treatments and the research supporting them.

For context, I had already written most of this post before applying most of these techniques to myself. I had successfully used one approach (somatic tracking) for my pelvic pain without realizing it was an established intervention.

What is neuroplastic (learned) pain?

Consider two scenarios:

  1. You touch a hot stove and immediately feel pain
  2. You develop chronic back pain that persists for years despite no clear injury

Both experiences involve the same neural pain circuits, but they serve different functions. The first is a straightforward protective response. The second represents neuroplastic pain - pain generated by the brain as a learned response rather than from ongoing tissue damage.

This might pattern-match to "it's all in your head," but that's a bit of a misunderstanding. All pain, including from obvious injuries, is created by the brain. The distinction is whether the pain represents: a) An accurate response to tissue damage b) A learned neural pattern that persists independently of tissue state.

Strength of evidence

The overall reality of neuroplastic pain as a common source of chronic pain has a broad evidence base. I haven't dug deep enough to sum it all up, but there are some markers of scientific consensus:

Side note: With obvious caveats, LLMs think that there is strong evidence for neuroplastic pain and various claims related to it[2].

Why we learn pain

(This part has the least direct evidence, as it’s hard to test.)

Pain is a predictive process, not just a direct readout of tissue damage. Seeing the brain as a Bayesian prediction machine, it generates pain as a protective output when it predicts potential harm. This means pain can be triggered by a false expectation of physical harm.

From an evolutionary perspective, neuroplastic pain confers significant advantages:

  1. False Positive Bias: Mistakenly producing pain when no damage exists (false positive) is less costly than failing to produce pain when damage does exist (false negative). Perhaps this is part of the reason why people with anxious brains, which tend to focus more on threats, are more prone to neuroplastic pain.
  2. Predictive Efficiency: The brain generates pain preemptively when contextual cues suggest potential danger. This is especially protective when engaging in an activity that has caused (perceived) damage in the past.

As Moseley and Butler explain, pain marks "the perceived need to protect body tissue" rather than actual tissue damage. This explains why fear amplifies pain: fear directly increases the brain's estimate of threat, creating a self-reinforcing loop where:

  1. The brain detects a plausibly threatening sensation and generates mild pain
  2. We become afraid this pain signals tissue damage (often due to prior experience or general anxiety)
  3. This fear directly increases the brain's threat assessment and attention to the sensations
  4. The brain produces more pain as a protective response
  5. Increased pain confirms our fear, amplifying it and repeating the cycle

This cycle can also be explained in terms of predictive processing [LW · GW].

In chronic pain, the system becomes "stuck" in a high-prior, low-evidence equilibrium that maintains pain despite absence of actual tissue damage. This mechanism also explains why pain-catastrophizing and anxiety so strongly modulate pain intensity.

Note: Fear is broadly defined here, encompassing any negative emotion or thought pattern that makes the patient feel less safe.

Diagnosing neuroplastic pain

The following patterns suggest neuroplastic pain, according to Alan Gordon’s book The Way Out. Each point adds evidence. Patients with neuroplastic pain will often have 2 or more. But some patients have none of them, or they only begin to show during treatment.

Some (but not many) other medical conditions can also produce some of the above. For example, systemic conditions like arthritis will often affect multiple locations (although even arthritis often seems to come with neuroplastic pain on top of physical causes).

Of course, several alternative explanations might better explain your pain in some cases - such as undetected structural damage (especially where specialized imaging is needed), systemic conditions with diffuse presentations, or neuropathic pain from nerve damage. There's still active debate about how much chronic pain is neuroplastic vs biomechanical. The medical field is gradually shifting toward a model where a lot of chronic pain involves some mixture of both physical and neurological factors, though precisely where different conditions fall on this spectrum remains contested.

Case study: my diagnosis

I've had substantial chronic pain in the hamstring tendons, tailbone, and pelvic muscles. Doctors found physical explanations for all of them: mild tendon inflammation and structural changes, a stiff tailbone with a bone spur, and high muscle tension. All pains seemed to be triggered by physical mechanisms like using the tendons or sitting on the tailbone. Traditional pharmacological and physiotherapy treatments brought partial, temporary improvements.

I realized I probably had neuroplastic pain because:

Finally, the most convincing evidence was that pain reprocessing therapy (see below) worked for all of my pains. The improvements were often abrupt and clearly linked to specific therapy sessions and exercises (while holding other treatments constant).

If you diagnose yourself, Gordon’s book recommends making an ‘evidence sheet’ and building a case. This is the first key step to treatment, since believing that your body is okay can stop the fear-pain cycle.

Belief barriers

Believing that pain is neuroplastic, especially on a gut level, is important for breaking the fear-pain cycle. But it is difficult for several reasons:

  1. Evolutionary programming: Pain evolved specifically to make us believe something is physically wrong. This belief is feature, not a bug - it made us avoid dangerous activities.
  2. Medical diagnostics: Some findings seem significant but appear commonly in pain-free individuals. For example, herniated discs (37% of asymptomatic 20-year-olds) or bulged disks, mild tendon inflammation, muscle tension, minor spine irregularities and degradation/arthritis, body asymmetries, poor posture, bone spurs, and meniscus tears. Doctors found physical reasons for all three of my chronic conditions but the conditions all went away without changing the physical findings.
  3. Conditioned responses: Pain often follows predictable patterns that seem to confirm structural causes. For example, my own wrist pain increased reliably the longer I typed. This created a compelling illusion of mechanical causation, but is also common for people with neuroplastic pain because the brain fears the most plausible triggers.

Treatment Approaches

Pain neuroscience education

Threat Reprocessing

General emotional regulation and stress reduction

Traditional medical treatments

(Reminder that I’m not a medical professional, and this list misses many specialized approaches one can use.)

Resources

I recommend reading a book and immersing yourself in many resources, to allow your brain to break the belief barrier on a gut level. Doing this is called pain neuroscience education (PNE), a well-tested intervention.

My recommendation: “The Way Out” by Alan Gordon. I found the book compelling and very engaging. The author developed one of the most effective comprehensive therapies available (PRT, see below).

Books

Treatment Programs

Therapists

Online Resources

Appendix: Chronic fatigue, dizziness, nausea etc

'Central Sensitivity Syndromes' can allegedly also produce fatigue, dizziness, nausea and other mental states. I haven't dug into it, but it seems to make sense for the same reasons that neuroplastic pain makes sense. I do know of one case of Long COVID with fatigue, where the person just pretended that their condition is not real and it resolved within days. 

I’d love to hear if others have dug into this. So far I have seen it mentioned in a few resources (1, 2, 3, 4) as well as some academic papers.

It seems to make sense that the same mechanisms as for chronic pain would apply: For example, fatigue can be a useful signal to conserve energy (or reduce contact with others), for instance because one is sick. But when the brain reads existing fatigue as evidence that one is sick, this could plausibly lead to a vicious cycle where perceived sickness means there is a need for more fatigue.

  1. ^

    ChristianKI pointed out that the WHO's classification also includes e.g. Chinese traditional medicine. So it is worth adding that the WHO's classification of nociplastic pain was based in large part on the recognition and advocacy by the International Association for the Study of Pain (IASP) which is the leading global professional organization in pain research and medicine.

  2. ^

    For example, here is Claude 3.5’s assessment of how much evidence there is in specific areas:

    1. Strongest Evidence (multiple RCTs, consistent mechanistic understanding):
      • Brain imaging shows identical activation patterns between acute pain and neuroplastic pain that is experimentally induced by giving fake electric shocks etc.
      • Pain often persists unchanged despite tissue healing
      • Structural abnormalities correlate poorly with pain levels
      • WHO's official recognition of "nociplastic pain" (2019)
    2. Strong Evidence (some RCTs, strong observational data):
      • Psychotherapy approaches targeting neural patterns can cure chronic pain (as measured by both self-reports and brain imaging)
      • Stress and emotional states modulate pain intensity
      • Pain patterns often violate anatomical expectations
    3. Moderate Evidence (limited RCTs, good observational data):
      • Neuroplastic pain may be the primary cause of most chronic pain
      • Specific treatment protocols' relative effectiveness
    4. Areas of Uncertainty:
      • Optimal treatment protocols
      • Individual patient susceptibility factors

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comment by max_shen (makoshen) · 2025-04-10T19:44:03.973Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thank you for writing this!

I'm the one who wrote about my own similar realization, with How predictive processing solved my wrist pain [LW · GW].

If what we claim here is true (and specifically if the 2022 Ashar et al. Pain Reprocessing Therapy  paper does replicate[1]), the implications feel pretty enormous. It suggests that a large fraction of the 800 million-1 billion who report chronic pain could experience permanent relief from <8 hours with a practitioner.

After my own experience, I pivoted from ML into pain research (building computational models). I went through the Pain Reprocessing Therapy training and have since been iterating on it (have so far successfully brought ~20 people to resolution, I'd say at a roughly similar rate that the 2022 Ashar et al. paper reports).

My experience is that there are different populations who respond quite differently to each intervention. Some people just need Sarno's book and feel immediate relief. Others are too dissociated to even do somatic tracking and need some assistance to work up to that.

Some other resources I might add for those interested:

  • This evidence page points to some other papers and success stories
  • The TMS wiki database of success stories was quite motivating for me to see how people with much worse conditions recovered
  • Here I evaluate Sarno's ischemia theory of chronic pain in light of more contemporary literature
  1. ^

    I've been in contact with both Yoni Ashar at CU Anschutz and also Mike Donnino at Harvard; they're both running larger trials which I'm told is going quite well — though they are often bottlenecked in finding participants.

comment by ChristianKl · 2025-04-10T09:17:49.519Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

In 2019, the WHO's added "nociplastic pain" (another word for neuroplastic pain) as an official new category of pain, alongside the long established nociceptic and neuropathic pain categories

It's worth noting that in 2019 the WHO also added various diagnosis from Chinese traditional medicine. The process that the WHO uses is not about finding truth but to provide codes that allow healthcare providers to talk with each other and store diagnoses. 

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comment by SoerenMind · 2025-04-10T15:34:15.883Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This is great context. Though there is a relevant difference: in this case the WHO's recognition of nociplastic pain was triggered by the International Association for the Study of Pain (IASP) recognizing it. The IASP is the leading global professional organization in pain research and medicine.

I've added a footnote to clarify this.

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comment by ChristianKl · 2025-04-10T17:03:02.932Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

The 2019 update add many codes that orthodox Western medicine disagrees with. 

If someone wants Chinese medicine codes they got it in the update. Ayurveda got codes. Activists for Chronic Lyme got their codes as well.  

The philosophy of that update seemed to be "If there anything that doctors want to diagnose, it should get a code so that it can go into standardized electronic health records."

comment by SoerenMind · 2025-04-12T12:26:48.434Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

The IASP's recognition of nociplastic pain was formed by a task force assembled for this purpose, which also changed the established official definition of the general concept of pain itself. https://www.iasp-pain.org/PublicationsNews/NewsDetail.aspx?ItemNumber=6862 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00392-5/abstract

comment by utopia (utopia-1) · 2025-04-10T09:13:41.411Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

You touched on something meditators (buddha, lao tzu, etc) were talking about:

The brain detects a plausibly threatening sensation and generates mild pain

  1. We become afraid this pain signals tissue damage (often due to prior experience or general anxiety)
  2. This fear directly increases the brain's threat assessment and attention to the sensations
  3. The brain produces more pain as a protective response

-->Increased pain confirms our fear, amplifying it and repeating the cycle

Unwinding this process completely all around within your entire body and mind these figures would call 'enlightment'. This concerns not just chronic pain. There is a sense in which we all have chronic pain. continuously. Furthermore, even the pain of stubbing your toe is 95% the above process (claims).

Meditation is resolving these predictive processing errors through various techniques down to the cellular level through top-down predictive rewiring (a few of which you talked about). Once you do so you will feel genuinely free from most of the pain generating processes within yourself and also be much healthier physically.


 

comment by Siebe · 2025-04-12T11:32:51.054Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I haven't looked into this literature, but it sounds remarkably similar to the literature of cognitive behavioral therapy and graded exercise therapy for ME/CFS (also sometimes referred to as 'chronic fatigue syndrome'). I can imagine this being different for pain which could be under more direct neurological control.

Pretty much universally, this research was of low to very low quality. For example, using overly broad inclusion criteria such that many patients did not have the core symptom of ME/CFS, and only reporting subjective scores (which tend to improve) while not reporting objective scores. These treatments are also pretty much impossible to blind. Non-blinding + subjective self-report is a pretty bad combination. This, plus the general amount of bad research practices in science, gives me a skeptical prior.

Regarding the value of anecdotes - over the past couple of years as ME/CFS patient (presumably from covid) I've seen remission anecdotes for everything under the sun. They're generally met with enthusiasm and a wave of people trying it, with ~no one being able te replicate it. I suspect that "I cured my condition X psychologically" is often a more prevalent story because 1) it's tried so often, and 2) it's an especially viral meme. Not because it has a higher succes rate than a random supplement. The reality is that spontaneous remission for any condition seems not extremely unlikely, and it's actually very hard to trace effects to causes (which is why even for effective drugs, we need large-scale highly rigorous trials).

Lastly, ignoring symptoms can be pretty dangerous so I recommend caution with the approach and approach is like you would any other experimental treatment.

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comment by SoerenMind · 2025-04-12T12:51:38.208Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Interesting to know more about the CFS literature here. Like you, I haven't found as much good research on it, at least with a quick search. (Though there's at least one pretty canonical reference connecting chronic fatigue and nociplastic pain FWIW.) 

The research on neuroplastic pain seems to have a stronger evidence base. For example, some studies have 'very large' effect sizes (compared to placebo), publications with thousands of citations or in top tier journals, official recognition by the leading scientific body on pain research (IASP), and key note talks at the mainstream academic conferences on pain research.

Spontaneous healing and placebo effects happen all the time of course. But in the cases I know, it was often very unlikely to happen at the exact time of treatment. Clear improvement was often timed precisely to the day, hour or even minute of treatments. In my case, a single psychotherapy session brought me from ~25% to ~85% improvement for leg pain, in both knees at once, after it lasted for years. Similar things happened with other pains in a short amount of time after they lasted for between 4 to 30 months.

> Lastly, ignoring symptoms can be pretty dangerous so I recommend caution with the approach

I also fear that knowing about neuroplastic pain will lead certain types of people to ignore physical problems and suffer serious damage.

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comment by kilgoar (william-walshe) · 2025-04-12T14:29:21.806Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

The historic perspective of ME/CFS is one, as usual, which gave me a greatly increased understanding for what the term is meaning. It was developed to refer to patients in the 80s who flooded doctors with reports of chronic infection of Epstein-Barr, commonly known as Mono. There was a glut of media reports on the phenomenon of chronic EBV, much like we see with long COVID currently. The landmark study coining the term CFS showed that they just were not showing any difference to healthy people who had previously suffered Mono, ruling it out as a cause, and the biggest shared issue was actually a high incidence of panic disorders.

However, the condition has been known about for quite a long time and it is probably wrong to think it is always or entirely psychogenic. In the linked paper above, we see a history going back to the 19th century looking at the now obsoleted diagnosis of Neurasthenia.

This condition appears to be an inability of the body to break out of a sickly anaerobic metabolism once a disease has passed. It also commonly appears and disappears without apparent cause. A study last century, mentioned in the above-linked history, showed that indeed, sufferers on a treadmill produced very unusually high buildups of lactic acid. Injections of lactic acid into a control group were unable to recreate the condition or its hallmark panic attacks.

Both MECFS activists and the medical community in general do not accept the idea that the brain could cause such misery, and it is a cesspool of blame, damaging care, and anger from both sides.

Having suffered from Mono, COVID, and Lyme these are all fevers somewhat unlike the Flu. Each gradually tapered off over the course of weeks, leaving me with no morning where I woke up thinking, ah, I'm definitely feeling healthy again. I have never in my life had anything like a panic attack, and so I don't think I'm prone to the condition at all.

My recommendation is that general practitioners, psychiatrists, psychologists, and activists are all to be avoided. I would go all in with the Functional medicine from a neurologist in this one.

comment by Siebe · 2025-04-12T13:58:42.480Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

That's good to know.

For what it's worth, ME/CFS (a disease/cluster of specific symptoms) is quite different from idiopathic chronic fatigue (a single symptom). Confusing the two is one of the major issues in the literature. Many people with ME/CFS, like I, don't even have 'feeling tired' as a symptom. Which is why I avoid the term CFS.

comment by Chipmonk · 2025-04-10T20:00:41.438Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

This is also my experience helping people with lifelong anxiety/insecurity

comment by Rafka · 2025-04-10T08:18:10.745Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Thanks for the write-up—I hadn’t looked into neuroplastic pain before, but it rang a bell.

A year ago, I messed up my leg (probably sciatic nerve, not diagnosed), and the pain stuck around way longer than it should have. I couldn’t walk for more than five minutes without it flaring up, even weeks after the initial strain. It clearly should’ve healed by then—nothing was torn, broken, or visibly inflamed—but the pain stayed.

What finally worked wasn’t rest, it was more walking. Slow, deliberate, painful-but-not-too-painful walking, plus stretching. It hurt, but it got better. And once I saw that, something flipped—now whenever that sensation comes back, I’m not worried. I just think, “yeah, I know this one,” and it fades. That sounds a lot like the “engage with the pain while reframing it as safe” strategy you described, and it tracks well with my experience.

I’ll be experimenting to see if the same approach works on other kinds of pain, too.

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comment by SoerenMind · 2025-04-10T15:38:00.513Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

now whenever that sensation comes back, I’m not worried. I just think, “yeah, I know this one,” and it fades.

That's exactly what happened for me right on the day of the biggest single step improvement I experienced for my tendon pain. Observing the sensation get worse and better again a few times in a row, while continuously standing, was closely associated with the decrease in worry and pain.