Common Task Time Estimation Repository
post by Arkanj3l · 2013-08-01T00:21:20.906Z · LW · GW · Legacy · 16 commentsRelated: Repository Repository
It would be cool if we had a repository for the Outside/calibrated view for how long commonplace tasks take. This way we can help one another get around the planning fallacy to a certain degree. Nothing beats direct measurement, but we can possibly save energy if enough evidence comes in to make us suspect that the time a certain task takes doesn't vary.
I could update this thread as more contribute. Depending on the variety of tasks, categories could be created and an index can be compiled. Observe.
Chores
Washing Dishes: 30 mins
Doing Laundry: 1 hour including drying
Rationality
Average LessWrong Post: 3 minutes
"Mysterious Answers to Mysterious Questions": 4 hours
Misc.
...: ...
... and so on.
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comment by telms · 2013-08-01T03:31:53.918Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I'd suggest adding separate columns for actual WORK TIME versus total ELAPSED TIME after email turnaround, task switching, sleep, etc.
Prepare kettle of chili from scratch: 40 min work time, 3 hr elapsed time
Read a 350-page novel: 6 hr (work & elapsed)
Read 690 pages of economic history excluding references: 52 hrs (work time), 3 months (elapsed)
Replies from: eurgcomment by Gunnar_Zarncke · 2013-08-06T21:22:36.924Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I track all my time on my PC with 15m granularity. I have done this for 3 years since I started freelance work. I have my own highly hierachical structure of cost centers from which I generate TeX invoices. I could give you a lot of common task times. But these obviously are mostly about surfing, reading, office work, invoice...
Examples:
write invoices: 1h/month
time tracking: 15m/day (including all time tracking for principals)
web surfing: 9h/month (not including research-like browsing which is 5h/month and not including lesswrong which has had a significant impact recently that I added a new cost center for it)
family budget: 2h/month
paperwork: 1h/week
I also track private projects. One example is a trading card game with scientific facts which I created for my children - this took 110h in all including research, images.test games, talks to teachers.
My wife is a living timetable and drives a very elaborate time management regime (which is helpful if you have four children). She seems to exactly know how long 'common tasks' take. We plan the following times:
laundry: (6m plus 10m/person)/day
cooking: 1h/day
fruit basket: 2m/person/day
daily house cleanup: 20m/day
prepare breakfast: 15m
meal preparation and cleanup (2x/day): 30m/day
bath a child: 15m
bed ritual: 15m/child
and then there are lots of planned times for educational topics, events, courses, ...
Note that that these times are the result of discipline and routine and you shouldn't assume that you can reach or beat them easily.
comment by Gunnar_Zarncke · 2013-08-06T21:30:10.177Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
And maybe I should add that I needed 41,5h to read hpmor up to chapter 96 (including detours to http://harrypotter.wikia.com/).
Replies from: Arkanj3lcomment by Dorikka · 2013-08-01T01:55:05.008Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Meta (adding a category note so meta comments don't clog the repository.)
Replies from: Qiaochu_Yuan, PECOS-9, somervta, TrE↑ comment by Qiaochu_Yuan · 2013-08-02T00:15:34.967Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Can someone tag the parent with the "repository" tag?
↑ comment by PECOS-9 · 2013-08-01T17:52:45.561Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Can someone give an example of a situation where they would use this repository?
Replies from: Vaniver, Arkanj3l↑ comment by Vaniver · 2013-08-01T19:50:52.043Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
The main example I can think of is realizing "hm, the amount of time I spend on X is very different from normal." For example, in Nick Winter's recent book he mentions that after he started timing his showers, he was able to take them in less than 2 minutes. I had no reference point for that- I wasn't even sure how long my showers took- and it happened that I normally spent about 20 minutes in the shower, and fairly quickly was able to get it down to 5 minutes.
I don't think that's a particularly compelling example, though, and don't expect that I would personally use this repository. (I stopped timing my showers and trying to make them shorter when I realized they were a major source of physical pleasure in my life, and making them shorter and more stressful was a terrible idea for me. Someone who doesn't enjoy taking a shower as much would probably gain from applying that time to something else.)
Replies from: asr↑ comment by TrE · 2013-08-01T05:46:36.385Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Of course, your mileage may vary. I'd propose that instead of giving only one (expected) time, there should be a low and a high estimate (e.g. such that you're quite certain the task will take longer than X but less than Y for most people).
Replies from: somervtacomment by Arkanj3l · 2013-09-22T20:23:08.924Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Bagging Soylent: 40min work time, 60min elapsed (first time doing task, setting up. Optimization of manufacturing occurred while I was bagging.)
Doing Laundry: 70 mins total - 40mins washing with two rinse cycles and 30mins drying
Folding Large Laundry Load After Drying: 10 mins, 15 elapsed.