Three signs you may be suffering from imposter syndrome
post by lc · 2020-01-21T22:17:45.944Z · LW · GW · 7 commentsContents
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You do not have imposter syndrome, because imposter syndrome does not exist.
In most professional domains, no one knows how competent they are, exactly. Unless you’re in a field where there is an agreed upon, systematic method of ranking success, like sports, you may only glean your competence through easy-to-wilfully-misinterpret signals. An uncomfortable amount of uncertainty on your value as an engineer or scientist is probably completely valid, especially if what you’re doing is trying to compare yourself against the entire population of professionals instead of the ones you can see. Just because you have a lot mentally riding on your keyboard incantation ability doesn’t mean you should have some definitive intuition for where it is, even after years of experience.
That said, I find it insightful that whenever someone says they have imposter syndrome (how you could know you have imposter syndrome and still have it I will put aside), it never seems to suffice to tell that person “You are an engineer, because you engineer things. You may be a bad engineer, but that’s not really for me to say.” The syndrome is about relative status, and never confusion about concrete abilities, like the question “Am I someone who architects buildings?” No one is ever confused about whether or not they can in fact maintain Apache servers; it is either a fish for compliments or an attempt at suppressing their own correct thoughts about being average. I suspect that the insecure often the actually incompetent, and the idea of Imposter Syndrome provides a mental placation for doubts about their own ability. It's too good of a perfectly general excuse. That nagging sense of inadequacy is explained away not by reality creeping up on their inflated sense of self, but by the DEMON of IMPOSTER SYNDROME running into their ego and smashing all of the nicely placed silverware.
Absent selection pressures, fifty percent of the people reading this statement will be below average at their jobs. You, the reader, in particular, are included in the broader population. It is a perfectly rational and reasonable thing to wonder if you have only deluded yourself into believing you are good at your work-not just wonder abstractly, as a remote possibility, but irritatingly, as something that may be highly probable. No pathology is required to explain this behavior in people. I and the people I work with wonder all the time about how good we are at our work, and it’s because we have a lot of our self-image riding on it, not because we suffer from a delusion. The solution in general is to accept the fact that you are average if that’s what is the case, and deal with it. Maybe it means continuing to focus on an activity because you like it even if you’re not any good. Maybe that means getting a more realistic understanding of how long “getting good” will take. Maybe it means giving up on your dreams of becoming a concert pianist. The worst thing, of course, would be to continue to center your life around some hobby only because of your own inflated self-perceptions.
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comment by Pattern · 2020-01-22T01:54:53.341Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
You do not have imposter syndrome, because imposter syndrome does not exist.
If you are a con man/identity thief/etc., then you are an impostor, and probably have impostor syndrome. Otherwise, you can't be an impostor.
the DEMON of IMPOSTER SYNDROME
I'd say this post is wrong, that there are people who doubt themselves - but the thesis is that this isn't true for most, but overestimation is (true for most).
Absent selection pressures,
I disagree with the thesis, but agree with the (concrete) recommendations.
The worst thing, of course, would be to continue to center your life around some hobby only because of your own inflated self-perceptions.
This seems a tad specific, and goes the opposite of the direction of the rest of the piece.
and it’s because we have a lot of our self-image riding on it, not because we’re chronically depressed.
This whole piece is about how people are wrong. Are people usually right about knowing they're not depressed? (People around them? Their coworkers?)
Replies from: lc, habryka4, lc↑ comment by lc · 2020-01-22T05:28:59.460Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
[I reply multiple times to comments with multiple independent critiques of my post]
>and it’s because we have a lot of our self-image riding on it, not because we’re chronically depressed.
This whole piece is about how people are wrong. Are people usually right about knowing they're not depressed? (People around them? Their coworkers?)
Depression was the wrong word. My coworkers may be depressed and I don't quite know if I'd notice. But if depression were the reason they doubted themselves endlessly, there'd be no reason to invent "imposter syndrome" except to describe a symptom of depression.
Although, as someone who was hospitalized because of depression, most of the people who have described themselves as former (or current) imposter syndrome sufferers did not seem to be depressed before self-diagnosis.
↑ comment by habryka (habryka4) · 2020-01-22T02:39:27.978Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
You are a con man. You are an impostor.
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Replies from: Pattern↑ comment by lc · 2020-01-22T05:18:58.664Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
[I reply multiple times to comments with multiple independent critiques of my post]
If you are a con man/identity thief/etc., then you are an impostor, and probably have impostor syndrome. Otherwise, you can't be an impostor.
Imposter syndrome is supposed to be a *delusion*. If you are actively impersonating someone, thinking you are doing that is not imposter syndrome.
Replies from: Pattern↑ comment by Pattern · 2020-01-22T05:30:02.514Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
The post states that "impostor syndrome does not exist". Is this meant seriously and straightforwardly?
Replies from: lc↑ comment by lc · 2020-01-22T05:38:16.132Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Yes. My definition of "imposter syndrome" is not "imposters". It is an independent and diagnostically valuable delusion in which someone, despite good evidence via their achievements, believes they are incompetent frauds. My thesis is that people who truly underestimate themselves are rare and that imposter syndrome as defined here is not really a prevalent delusion, but a meme propagated because it is psychologically comforting.
Identity thieves do not suffer from imposter syndrome because their self-perception is correct and is not part of a wider pattern of inconsistent reasoning.