How much delay do you generally have between having a good new idea and sharing that idea publicly online?

post by Mati_Roy (MathieuRoy) · 2020-02-22T20:03:06.640Z · LW · GW · 1 comment

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    3 Ramiro P.
    3 ld97
    3 Stuart_Armstrong
    3 Charlie Steiner
    3 Dustin
    3 Mati_Roy
    2 Ramiro P.
    2 Gurkenglas
    2 bgold
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Or making an interesting new observation, and other world model improvements.

And what do you think the delay should be ideally?

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answer by Ramiro P. · 2020-03-17T22:00:45.903Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Maybe a spreadsheet would be more informative. You could easily aggregate many answers.

answer by ld97 · 2020-02-24T15:04:42.030Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I think, that sharing is like testing that your Idea is good and new.

In programming, we have a concept named "Fail Fast strategy". That means, that after some mistake program should fail as fast as possible. In ideal case - not even compile. Because the far your mistake stepping by "deploy ladder" - the more it costs. If your program does not compile then you set the wrong value to some variable - you'll pay seconds for correcting. If it was found during QA tests - you'll pay for switching from your current task to this one, because it's high-priority. If it's in production - you start losing clients.

In my opinion, the same stuff is working for Ideas. If your idea is junk - you should know about it before you've spent half of your life on it.

The situation looks like this: You have an Idea. You have Hypotheses that it's "good" and it's "new"
You have two strategies:

1) Start work on your Idea only based on evidence of that you have hypotheses about "good" and "new"

2) Collect additional evidence to falsify or prove your hypotheses that the Idea is good and new.

Sometimes 1st strategy is worth the risk. For example, if you want to incredibly improve balance on your bank account. OR if your idea is a really dangerous one. OR "continuous list, there you lose something because your idea shared". In this situation, the second strategy increases the risks that someone else will implement your Idea, and that will decrease your chances of winning.

But if you don't want to make money on your idea AND your idea won't destroy the world if someone else will know about it AND "the other items of "loose if sharing" list" - I'd prefer the second strategy, because:

1. Your opinion on your Idea is biased. Communication is one of the power tools to improve your model of expectations from your idea.

2. Your Idea can be good overall, but you can be wrong in detail. Someone else will look at it from another point of view and can notice weak points, that you can fix.

3. While working on your Idea and improving it you will go far from the point where you had Insight about the idea. And the more that distance the more will be troubles about explaining that idea to other people because you will compress your long path to simple: "oh, I've been taking a shower and then realized..." The idea came not only because you've been taking a shower, but you also had a problem, you had observations, you had a path to your solution. And the more you live with your idea, the more chances that you will forget details about it. You already have a picture, there is no need for you to store data about how you've been solving the puzzle. But showing this picture to other people doesn't explain to them what problem have you been solving, and why, and how. Give your auditory THE ANSWER - and they won't get it. Giving them THE QUESTION and THE ANSWER is better but works only with some of them. But if you will give them QUESTION, and enough hints to make the path to the answer - you'll have chances to be understood. The more time from Insight - the fewer hints that helped you you'll remember.

4. As I mentioned, the more you wait - the more "Wrong Idea" costs. And most times better to look like a person that created the wrong idea than be a person who uses it. That's why I sharing my ideas about this question)

So, my algorithm is:

1) Testing my Idea for weaknesses and "the wheel inventing" by myself.

2) If it passed step before - share it.

answer by Stuart_Armstrong · 2020-02-24T14:19:54.427Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

As fast as I can type it up into a decent format (which is normally a very instructive process in itself).

answer by Charlie Steiner · 2020-02-24T06:04:57.796Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

For interesting stuff, two weeks to two months. Usually this is warranted, because ideas are cheap but filtering and thinking are hard. The ideal faster time mostly just means that ideally I'd be spending more hours per week on ideas, not that I'd be spending less time per idea.

answer by Dustin · 2020-02-22T23:38:45.671Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I'll ship it when it's ready.

If I have a good idea about how to tie my shoelaces I'll share it immediately!

If I have a good idea about a foundational change in western philosophy it will take me years.

answer by Mati_Roy · 2020-02-22T20:10:59.560Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Mine is probably much longer than it should. Although I also have some reasons not to share them right away such as needing them to have a good first impression.

I probably haven't shared most of them yet, so the delay is probably at least a few years currently.

answer by Ramiro P. · 2020-03-17T22:02:10.144Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

My average is a week, I guess. I only share ideas I can't falsify or take out of my head; and I try them with close friends first. And I admit I'm kinda sensitive to negative feedback.

answer by Gurkenglas · 2020-02-23T00:17:20.899Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I try to get them out there as soon as possible because I tend to do things either immediately or on the scale of months to years. lesslong.com, IRC, the like.

answer by bgold · 2020-02-22T20:28:19.494Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

I rarely share ideas online (I'm working on that); when I do the ideas tend to be "small" observations or models, the type I can write out quickly and send. ~10mins - 1 day after I have it.

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comment by Mati_Roy (MathieuRoy) · 2020-02-24T19:37:30.008Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Some people have really good arguments for why ideas shouldn't be shared right away, in which case we might not read about them for a while, so the answers here might be biased '^_^