Proposal: Twitter dislike button

post by KatjaGrace · 2022-05-17T19:40:10.485Z · LW · GW · 7 comments

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The popular story of Twitter’s role in the ruin of civilization is that it is a runaway trash fire of reciprocal anger and offense, where otherwise nice people are possessed by overwhelming outrages, and drawn into throwing their own energy behind creating the vilest and most vindictive responses to what they see, turning away from reason and hurting others in turn, and so the place continues.

I’m not sure how much of Twitter activity this accounts for (apparently Michael Nielsen enjoys an entirely different place, and my experience seems pretty nice too). But I think there’s a real pattern of this kind, which makes game theoretic sense, and goes something like this:

  1. People say things
  2. People read these things
  3. If anything seems objectionable to any of these people, then they repost those things with commentary, and everyone else reads them extra.
  4. In the next round, people (or the ones who who get attention) say objectionable things (that they expect will get attention), about objectionable things (that they have their attention on from the last round)
  5. etc.

To lay out the effects of all this more clearly:

  1. People disproportionately read things they don’t like, which is presumably bad for them
  2. People get the visceral sense that others are disproportionately writing things they don’t like, which is misleading, and not in a helpful-for-public-friendship way
  3. Things people don’t like get extra space in the public conversation
  4. People who tend to write things that others don’t like get extra power and attention instead of less
  5. Writing things other people don’t like is incentivized (if you want attention, writing things other people don’t like is probably somewhat better than writing things people do like, and way better than writing things they don’t feel strongly about).

Supposing something like this model is true, and bad, it seems to me that there is a really simple solution: add a dislike button.

That is, what if when a person sees a thing they don’t like, instead of broadcasting it to others, they register their disapproval by quietly clicking a different button next to the heart, and then Twitter shows it to other people less instead of more? You can still retweet it if you especially want other people to see it more, but adding attention wouldn’t be the default disapproval vote.

This is not an original idea, and the other major websites that do it have not, to my knowledge, been run out of business by a dearth of disagreement. I think they are also not so much known for the above dynamic.

I posit that a Twitter downvote button would be great. What am I missing?

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comment by Matt Goldenberg (mr-hire) · 2022-05-18T02:49:14.183Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

One answer of a thing you're missing is the fact that twitter is already testing a dislike button (for replies).

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comment by localdeity · 2022-05-18T03:22:37.487Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

And Elon Musk (who is ... probably buying Twitter) seems enthused about it.  Apparently introduced on the ides of March: https://www.techtimes.com/articles/273093/20220316/twitter-downvote-now-available-excites-elon-musk-others-use.htm

comment by Leo P. · 2022-05-18T00:31:01.343Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Why would I press the dislike button when I get the possibility to signal virtue by showing people I condemn what "X" says about "Y"?

comment by Andrew Vlahos (andrew-vlahos) · 2022-05-17T23:42:41.771Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

It would help. However, Twitter makes money based on energetic engagement, and no emotion drives behavior better than rage, so they don't want to fix it.

It's like the situation with phone companies. There actually are effective ways to prevent spoofed phone numbers, according to my dad who works at a telecom company. However, since scammers and telemarketers are by far the biggest customers, phone companies won't make the changes needed to do this.

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comment by lc · 2022-05-17T23:48:40.334Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Correct. Although you don't even need the dislike button to fix OP's problems; Twitter has the view:like ratio and can solve it themselves.

This is part of why buying Twitter to altruistically run it as a public service seems to me like a pretty effective technique, except for the tens of billions of dollars you'd be "burning" as tribute to twitter execs in order to accomplish it.

comment by Dagon · 2022-05-18T15:59:46.964Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

Strong downvoted to see the effect of forcing a reasonable post into negative range.  I will remove the downvote within 48 hours.  I suspect having a downvote/mute/decrease-amplification button on twitter would be weaponized pretty quickly.  

edit: downvote removed, and I'm happy to be reminded that the culture here is different enough from twitter that malicious downvotes are punished appropriately.  

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comment by Kenny · 2022-06-09T05:03:56.090Z · LW(p) · GW(p)

What kinds of effect(s) were you intending to observe?