Covid 6/2/22: Declining to Respond
post by Zvi · 2022-06-02T13:50:01.330Z · LW · GW · 10 commentsContents
Executive Summary The Numbers Predictions Deaths Cases Vaccine Discussion Offer Variants Big Time Surge Story Let My People Go FDA Delenda Est: Approved Treatments Edition CDC Delenda Est Think of the Children In Other News Fund Anti-Aging Research One More Note About That Long Covid Study The Future None 10 comments
Memorial Day weekend is a good reason not to worry about reporting cases or deaths. FDA declines to respond with making it easier to get treatments we have in ample supply, or to update the vaccines. Congress refuses to fund anything at all, really.
Doesn’t sound like a state of emergency to me. Yet in California, we still have one, and we decline to respond to when we might end the ‘state of emergency.’ In New York, health officials make it clear that if it were up to them, we’d have these pandemic restrictions forever here as well.
Don’t leave it up to them. Respond.
Executive Summary
- Paxlvoid and Fluvoxamine remain hard to get.
- Time is not a flat circle, that’s a dumb expression, but history rhymes.
- Covid-19 is a good excuse to work on curing aging, let’s do that.
Let’s run the numbers.
The Numbers
Predictions
Last week I somehow once again forgot about a holiday, in this case Memorial Day, because I don’t think in those terms naturally and it still boggles my brain that it matters. But in terms of ‘why this prediction was stupid’ that’s why.
Assignment for readers: Next time a holiday is coming up and I forget about it, whoever notices first should write a comment in the Substack version that says ‘you forgot to take into account the upcoming holiday!’ and whoever does scores points. Note that if I don’t explicitly mention the holiday I’m probably forgetting about it.
Prediction from last week: 700,000 cases (+9%) and 2,725 deaths (+15%)
Results: 566k cases (-12%) and 1,994 deaths (-15%)
Prediction for next week: 675,000 cases (+19%) and 2,400 deaths (+20%)
As usual with a holiday drop like this, one must hedge between ‘it was the holiday and will be even higher than trend next week’ and ‘it wasn’t entirely the holiday, this was a real drop.’ Even if I’d remembered the holiday my prediction would have come in high. Is it possible cases have peaked for real? Definitely possible, but the decline in deaths now makes zero underlying sense outside of the holiday, so I’m guessing we’re looking mostly at a large holiday effect.
Deaths
Ah, Memorial Day, yet another holiday. Silly me.
Cases
Vaccine Discussion Offer
Chise, who has provided good information several times, says their DMs are open for anyone with vaccine-related questions or even want someone to listen because you are unsure. A fine public service, if you need it please use this resource or pass it along to someone else who needs it.
Variants
Trevor Bedford thread confirming BA.4/5 will likely outcompete BA.1.2.12, confirmation at least a lot of that is immune escape, and the note that a BA.1-based vaccine update would be helpful but a BA.4 or BA.5-based update would be much better at this point.
Big Time Surge Story
How is the other half not living? It’s calling another big time surge. The note here is specific to San Francisco but the logic is universal. Everywhere will have their turns.
The framing here seems like the ‘friendly’ version of paternalistic public health. Are you trying to stay well? If so, time to step up your game. If not, then that’s fine too says your grandmother, don’t try to stay well and be home for dinner.
On some level I find that fair, because the whole point is that it is not worth trying to stay well, if stay well means avoid infection, which is slightly unfair but all right, fine, sure. Permanently avoiding infection is for most people not a good plan, and if you did need to have that as your plan then yes it’s time to step up your game and pull out that P100.
The contrast between Bob’s two graphs is interesting. In the first one, we have less than half as many cases now as at the start and less than a fifth of the peak. In the second, we have more patients needing care now than we did before and over a third of the peak. This implies a lot of cases are not being reported, and that this is not mostly reflective of lower severity unless most patients under care are ‘with’ rather than ‘for’ Covid (because math).
Similarly, on the question of whether the unvaccinated should be worried right now, Matt Yglesias points out the graph versus NYTimes story differential here.
Let My People Go
There are no standards. There are no criteria. There is only emergency.
Defendant inquires about never. He asks if never works for you.
Meanwhile CDC continues to recommend the full ten days quarantine period for children under the age of two, because they are unvaccinated and couldn’t mask. Words, I have none. Maddening lack of connection with the physical realities of life.
Link to the referenced article here. Both are fine but I prefer the thread.
The amount of willful ignorance, of selective faith in the facts that fit whatever narrative supports restrictions today, the not caring about costs, would have been stunning two years ago. Now it’s completely unsurprising, although the ‘I never talk to anyone with the view that we shouldn’t take lots of pointless public health measures’ still packs a punch.
The juxtaposition of ‘we don’t know the long term effects of Covid so we need to destroy life indefinitely’ and ‘we don’t know the long term impact of child masking but eventually there will be studies and we’ll know’ could not be more clear.
And of course, there is nothing the kinds of restrictions we are talking about could meaningfully do over the medium term to prevent infections, even if everyone did cooperate, but hey, it’s not as completely insane as putting kids through live shooter drills.
FDA Delenda Est: Approved Treatments Edition
Tyler Cowen reminds us that Paxlovid remains remarkably hard for regular people to get and that this (OF COURSE!) is largely the FDA’s fault since they could allow pharmacists to prescribe it themselves. Quoting in full:
Pharmacists still cannot prescribe the medication themselves, a step that would cut the time it takes patients to secure the drug.
The Food and Drug Administration “is looking at this and thinking about it,” Dr. Jha said. “Whether they’re going to make a change, when and how, etc., is totally in their wheelhouse.”
Many patients are still handling the sometimes-cumbersome steps on their own: locating a virus test, then securing a Paxlovid prescription from a health provider, then finding a pharmacy that carries the pill, all within days of first showing symptoms.
Dr. Jha described being frustrated by physician colleagues who have told him they still limit Paxlovid to patients 65 years and older.
Tyler: But no they still will not do this. I repeat myself, but you need to keep in mind the only time panel members have resigned from the FDA is when the Biden administration pushed through the booster shots. Here is the full NYT article, via Rich Berger.
Then everyone goes around wondering why so few people are using Paxlovid. And this is what is ‘in their wheelhouse.’
Then there’s Fluvoxamine, WSJ asks why the FDA said no to prescribing it for Covid, which I covered two weeks ago. I mentioned then that I wasn’t concerned about that because it was mostly ignorable – you could still get Fluvoxamine if you cared enough, and if you didn’t care enough you were never going to get it. In practice, however, doctors are remarkably reluctant to write that kind of off-label prescription and there are numerous reasons why almost no one will end up taking it without the approval.
So once again, I can only conclude the FDA has reached the same conclusion as the top comment on Tyler’s post.
CDC Delenda Est
Remember when Trump complained that the problem was that we had all these cases because was did all those tests? Well…
…yeah.
The quote is from this Kelsey Piper post about Monkeypox, including that we’re still doing the whole ‘downplay the situation so people don’t panic’ thing, which is going into my list of Monkeypox links that I will use if I write a post that I sincerely hope I never write.
And on another note on Monkeypox, it’s worth pointing out that history is rhyming again, oh no:
Think of the Children
In Other News
The new reality of Covid, summarized.
The reality of what’s going to happen early in the next pandemic.
Nope. Can’t say we have.
Fund Anti-Aging Research
The beatings will continue until morale and/or survivability improve.
Aging is bad. It leads to being old, which leads to all sorts of bad things like loss of one’s various facilities and also it kills you. We should get to work on that. However, aging is not considered a disease, so attempts to treat or cure it don’t count. Most people have rationalized that the thing that slowly destroys and kills every single human is ‘natural’ and fine actually, using a variety of time-honored rationalizations. Even on the voyages of the USS Enterprise they risk the ship to save an innocent old person’s life then give that person a stern lecture about not wanting to then die on schedule.
So yeah, this battle’s been a tough one. Lost a lot of good men. All of them, actually.
However, aging is also the primary risk factor for Covid-19, so perhaps we can market our anti-aging solution as a Covid-19 treatment?
Covid-19 is far more likely to kill you if you’re old. One reason is that aged immune systems struggle to cope with infections and recover from them. So why not try drugs that make bodies young again? That’s the bold idea now being explored in clinical trials around the world, which are testing drugs that reverse the impacts of age on the body, rejuvenate the immune system and clear out aged, worn-out cells.
This does not appear to be satire. Now that Covid-19 is around suddenly we have this bold idea to solve the problem, which is to cure aging by making people younger. And no, there is no hint of noticing that maybe we should have been trying to do this anyway? Cause you know what age is a risk factor for almost exactly the same amount as for death from Covid?
Other than violence, accidents, drug overdoses and infant mortality?
Death. It increases risk for death.
Imagine if this was true not in the pandemic.
Most of the cells in our body divide up to a certain point. Once they reach this limit, they should die and be cleared away by the immune system. But that’s not always the case—some cells linger on. These cells no longer divide, and some instead churn out a toxic brew of chemicals that trigger damaging inflammation in the surrounding area and beyond.
Cells that do this are called “senescent,” and they accumulate across our organs as we age. They’ve been linked to an ever-growing number of age-related diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, osteoporosis, cataracts, Alzheimer’s—the list goes on. They also appear to play an important role in coronavirus infections.
Yes. Please do work on that. Thank you. I will totally pretend not to notice the skulls, except by the skulls I mean look at everyone who ever lived because they are skulls now, they are dead, I am going out on a limb and saying I do not like this.
We might come out ahead from this pandemic yet.
One More Note About That Long Covid Study
As I said on Twitter, every now and then they still manage to surprise me.
Whether or not this is something otherwise worth taking seriously, if the mean age in your study is 71 years old that’s an important point when deciding how to use the results of that study.
The Future
This was another light week for Covid news, and what news there is seems like it is largely repeating itself. If this continues, my current plan is to emphasize other things and also to start doing post-mortem analysis on prior posts, ideally starting back at the beginning – pulling out evergreen things to create reference posts, analyzing mistakes and things I got wrong, that kind of thing.
For now, I intend to keep doing the weekly posts as a public service – I keep an eye on things so you don’t have to.
Planned next post is a review of Talent, by Tyler Cowen and Daniel Gross. There’s a ton of specific detail there to talk about so it’s getting long, but I want it out there in the next few days one way or another. I had another thing planned for this week, but turned out I’d already written a version of it back in 2010, so no need to write it again.
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comment by Ben Pace (Benito) · 2022-06-02T18:40:39.762Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
- Paxlvoid and Fluvoxamine remain hard to get.
In case anyone's interested, I had Covid last week and got Paxlovid in a couple hours via an online doctor at Plushcare.
It does seem like some doctors on there won't prescribe it if you don't have a worrisome case, but my doctor was like "I'm not a gatekeeper, if you want it I'll prescribe it".
Replies from: TrevorWiesinger↑ comment by trevor (TrevorWiesinger) · 2022-06-03T04:26:39.073Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
- did you need a positive test? Rapid antigen tests are notorious for false negatives. [LW · GW]
- did you need to present some sort of health condition? if so, what kind of health condition do you recommend using?
↑ comment by Ben Pace (Benito) · 2022-06-03T20:13:04.218Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
- I told her I had taken 2 cue tests, both came back positive.
- I had mild flu symptoms, didn’t present anything else.
↑ comment by trevor (TrevorWiesinger) · 2022-06-03T21:12:34.075Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Did you have to show her the cue tests or send her the data?
Replies from: pktechgirl, Benito↑ comment by Elizabeth (pktechgirl) · 2022-06-04T23:44:58.573Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
My plushcare doc also didn't ask for a test (although even on video I was very visibly sick, which may have helped). She did ask for kidney test results, which I had to look up on my doctor's website and read out to her.
↑ comment by Ben Pace (Benito) · 2022-06-04T23:37:57.985Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
She said I’d have to upload one to the app, but then it didn’t prompt me for it, so no.
comment by CraigMichael · 2022-06-02T18:08:16.274Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
Thank you for continuing to write these. They’re still my most significant input for how I make day-to-day pandemic-related decisions.
Replies from: TrevorWiesinger↑ comment by trevor (TrevorWiesinger) · 2022-06-03T04:24:57.474Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
They're also my #1 source of pandemic news too, and I disagree viciously with Zvi on the central theme of long covid being harmless for young people (it's a brain-eating virus).
They're probably the #1 source of pandemic news for anyone who encounters them. Unless that someone has access to nonpublic analyst firms on Wall Street, or pandemic-related security clearance or something.
comment by supposedlyfun · 2022-06-03T06:32:49.439Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
People I know in their 70s are traveling by plane to a large event that requires a negative test on arrival. Based on your previous posts' data, I pointed them to P100 masks and the studies on in-cabin air-filtering. This was to encourage them to wear the mask on the plane (since we do have some apparent cases of adjacent passenger transmission) but especially to wear the mask in the airport despite passive (and possibly active) social pressure. They are smart and motivated and will wear the masks.
I know "Winning" is a word-concept we probably owe to the Yud, but when I told them, "If you want to Win at not getting covid, P100 gives you the best chance," I was basically quoting you. So, thanks.
comment by antanaclasis · 2022-06-04T00:52:39.473Z · LW(p) · GW(p)
I had another thing planned for this week, but turned out I’d already written a version of it back in 2010
What is the post that this is referring to, and what prompted thinking of those particular ideas now?